Talk:Dentin

This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

Spelling: Dentin vs Dentine[edit]

Recently, Storkk went through and made the spelling of "dentin" consistant, and Preacherdoc reverted the edit, saying both spellings are accepted and correct. Although both spellings are correct, according to Wikipedia's Manual of Style, the same spelling should be used throughout the article. Particularly, the guidelines mentioned are that:

Articles should use the same dialect throughout.
If an article's subject has a strong tie to a specific region/dialect, it should use that dialect.
Where varieties of English differ over a certain word or phrase, try to find an alternative that is common to both.
If no such words can be agreed upon, and there is no strong tie to a specific dialect, the dialect of the first significant contributor (not a stub) should be used.

I do not believe that the subject of this article has a "strong tie to a specific region/dialect" nor can the article use an alternative word since the subject of the article is the word in question. Thus, I think we should use "dentin" since 1) it is the name of the article currently, 2) was the first spelling used in the first version of the article (though still a stub), 3) was kept in subsequent edits when a large portion of the current content was written and when the stub template was removed. To adhere to this, I reverted the article to the previous version where the spelling was made consistant. - Dozenist talk 00:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dozenist, thanks for your edit. I prefer the spelling "dentine". I must say, there is quite a precedent for this spelling, with many, many words ending similarly (like, say, iodine, morphine, submarine, endocrine). I don't see why we should start spelling these "iodin" and "morphin", and so on. Still, if you feel that strongly, I will certainly confin myself to your divin doctrin, and toe the lin. Preacherdoc 21:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am obviously not just being creative with spelling and conjuring up my own way of spelling "dentin," and the reasons to keep this spelling I have outlined from Wikipedia's Manual of Style, again NOT my own reasons. - Dozenist talk 21:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know they are not your reasons; I just don't really think that they are good reasons. The only way, I find, to deal with the ridiculous nature of the spelling differences in our common language is with humour. Otherwise people just get upset. I must say I do find it slightly offensive when people insist that my spelling is incorrect, to the point of actually changing it. My way of dealing with this is to laugh at it. I don't personally find it troublesome to read articles where there are mixed North American and Commonwealth spellings, and I feel this is one, comparatively even-handed, way of pleasing most people, in the understanding that we cannot please them all.Preacherdoc 10:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really care, but the article should stick with one spelling. Also, your analogy is somewhat wrong. Morphine, etc are extracted chemicals... For living tissue, we have Chitin, Lignin, Prostaglandin, etc. The article should, I think, stick with the spelling of the title. --Storkk 11:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Preacherdoc, you may "toe the lin", and "confin" yourself to Dozenist's "divin doctrin", but once I get my hæmoglobine count up, and give myself an insuline shot, I might disagree with you. Your "submarine" example is fatuous: please use attach your reply with a pin(e). Also, when I sin(e), please wave your skin(e), to the din(e) of the tin(e)-whistle. I think you can't win(e). How is "submarine" at all related to the current discussion? It's not like "Dentin ( / Dentine)" is an adjective. As I said above, I really don't care what spelling the article uses, but it should use one spelling, and that should be the same as the article's title. If you care so strongly, move the article to "Dentine" and 'fix' the spelling. --Storkk 23:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, ok, kids. I think we are all on the same page again, and we can focus more on the content of the article (which is sorely lacking) rather than the spelling of a single word. - Dozenist talk 00:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Storkk, since you asked on my talk page, here is my reply. The thesis of my bachelor degree was on comparative dental anatomy, and I spent many, many hours studying the histology of teeth. As a result, I am stuck with a firm preference for the spelling dentine (and a pronunciation rhyming with "morphine"). Nonetheless, I am prepared to accept that the US-English spelling is dentin.

All of that said, I do find it slightly irritating when people correct my spelling (even when no offence is intended). It isn't wrong, just different from yours. There is no logic to the situation, whatsoever, on either side of the Pond, which has been noted since at least the time of Mark Twain (and his humorous essay, IIRC, "Suggestions for the Improvement of the English Language"). I also make a point of not correcting American spellings into British spellings, since I recognise (or even recognize) that Wikipedia is neither American nor British (note that I did not change any of the spellings in the article, nor the title).

If you feel strongly that one spelling requires to be used throughout this article, then that's fine, and good luck to me. I don't object to this idea, although I do not share it.

As mentioned above, my response to being corrected is to poke a little fun so that we can perhaps laugh a little at how silly we are all being. I assure you (both) I meant no disrespect.

Dozenist is right though; the article is weak, and, currently, shorter than this debate.

One last remark. I don't know how it is on your side, but over here, we frequently use submarine as a noun, although I accept it started off life as an adjective. In fact, we used to have these four lads from Liverpool who claimed to live in a yellow one.Preacherdoc 20:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also did not mean to offend by my remarks. I really, truly, don't care one whit whether the article refers to dentine or dentin. What I do care (and care strongly) about, is that it is internally consistent. If whoever reverted my edits in the beginning--which started this discussion--had also moved the article to "Dentine", I would not have objected at all (regardless of whether or not it would have been in line with the guidelines). I, unlike you, cannot claim ANY dentistry knowledge whatsoever... I can, however claim some linguistics knowledge, and must admit that I was slightly incensed by your reply: In both BE and AE, "-in" and "-ine" endings abound. This precipitated my arguably WP:NPA-violating comments. In summary, this message is: a) an apology for the above comments (though you have not asked for one); b) a clarification of my pov; and c) a notice that I think the whole discussion totally useless as long as the article is consistent. If I offended you, please accept my humble appo-logies (with full intent to reference Black Adder). In friendship and comradeship-in-arms ( ;-) ) --Storkk 01:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Many a year has now passed since the above discussion took place. I was reading the article today, and it had inconsistent spellings on it. Moreover, there was no template on the talk page indicating whether the article was to be in American or British English. Given that the article was begun under the American English spelling, and given that we aught to make the use of one spelling consistent within the article, it seems to make the most sense that we use "dentin" (without the final "e"). I am going to WP:BOLDly go ahead and make this happen, and then I am going to place an American English template on the top of this talk page to hopefully wrap up the subject. If there are any objections or reversions, then we probably aught to have a Request for comment made up so the matter can be discussed by the community. Someone please ping me if that happens, yes? Thanks!! A loose necktie (talk) 10:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How strange. I was born in the U.S. (though from a British father) and have lived here for almost all of my 53 years, and yet I never had any idea that "dentin" was preferred over "dentine" in U.S. usage. A Google Books Ngrams search indicates that "dentine" was originally preferred in the U.S. as well, with the change to "dentin" taking place around 1900. The "dentine" form is still often used in a paleontological context, which is how I got here. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

External link reports it is unavailable[edit]

Commented this link out on article page. Site appears to be inactive at the time of this writing Gosgood 14:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dentigenix - Dentin Regeneration Technology

LIPUS?[edit]

What, if any, is the relation between tertiary dentin and LIPUS therapy? Would LIPUS also qualify as such a stimulus? Zaphraud (talk) 06:29, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Percentage of Hydroxyapatite[edit]

or hydroxylapatite.

can't believe we're giving space to whether to use the american or british spelling or just to use either randomly like we're from the virgin(e) islands —

when we can't agree whether

By weight, 45% of dentin consists of the mineral hydroxylapatite, 33% is organic material, and 22% is water.[1]

or

It is made up of 70% inorganic materials (mainly hydroxylapatite and some non-crystalline amorphous calcium phosphate), 20% organic materials (90% of which is collagen type 1 and the remaining 10% ground substance, which includes dentine-specific proteins), and 10% water (which is absorbed on the surface of the minerals or between the crystals)

162.248.205.72 (talk) 22:31, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

article now leads with option 1 (but says by "volume" not weight !) Would help to know which of the 3 dentine types that applies to. - Rod57 (talk) 13:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Dentin Structure as Bonding Substrate[edit]

Please consider incorporating material from the above draft submission into this article. Drafts are eligible for deletion after 6 months of inactivity. ~Kvng (talk) 16:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal for dental canaliculi[edit]

Hi I found the dental canaliculi article through WikiProject Unreferenced articles and in trying to find references I've found that it's not a very well-covered topic so I don't know if it meets notability guidelines. I think it would do better as part of this article. However, I'm not experienced in the dental field so perhaps others may have a different opinion or maybe they could add references for dental canaliculi to that article. Contrawwftw (talk) 09:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On balance, I think that a merge to Bone canaliculus might be better, as this dental canaliculi are a subset of bone canaliculus (or are the functional correlate ...). The phrase dental canaliculi doesn't seem to be in use (in the reviews I've been able to find), but rather articles talk about canaliculi in dentin. For example, in:

Palmquist, A (7 May 2018). "A multiscale analytical approach to evaluate osseointegration". Journal of materials science. Materials in medicine. 29 (5): 60. doi:10.1007/s10856-018-6068-y. PMID 29736606. Klbrain (talk) 16:33, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merged to Bone canaliculus;

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 16:35, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could separate dental practice issues[edit]

Could separate dental practice issues (here or by linking). eg. under secondary dentin there is discussion of pulp capping and adhesive dentistry. Would be helpful to separate descriptions of dentine from dental practices (which may be time and place specific too). - Rod57 (talk) 13:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]