Talk:Dependent territory

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Jan Mayen[edit]

Are there any sources that call Jan Mayen a dependency, or treat it as such? Not all integral territories are listed here, or we'd add every area in each country. CMD (talk) 18:58, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

RfC on Iraqi Kurdistan's level of autonomy[edit]

I would like to invite editors to comment at RfC proposal on Iraqi Kurdistan's level of autonomy, essentially resolving whether Iraqi Kurdistan should or shouldn't be added to the "other Dependent territories" under Asia topic.GreyShark (dibra) 18:15, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Cook Islands and Niue are not territories[edit]

We should avoid using the word territory in describing the relationship between the Cook Islands/Niue and New Zealand because it incorrectly implies that New Zealand maintains a degree of legal authority. New Zealand has little more legal authority to make laws for the Cook Islands than Britain did to make laws for New Zealand up until 1986. Both the Cook Islands and Niue are commonly referred to simply as countries and are often treated as full countries diplomatically.

I'm not arguing that they should be removed from this list. (It's true that neither country is fully sovereign in some hard-to-pin down sense.) I'm just saying that we should be careful about the language we use.

Ben Arnold (talk) 03:52, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Trick for distinguishing internal areas from external posessions[edit]

It's not always obvious whether a territory is considered a integral part of a country or an external dependency. One trick you can use is to go to the official statistics agency for the country and work out which areas they include to give the population of the country. For example:

  • French oveseas regions are included in the population total for France. but the overseas collectivities and New Caledonia are excluded
  • Australia includes Chrismas Island and the Cocos (Keeling) Islands in its population total, but excludes Norfolk Island
  • New Zealand includes the Chatham Islands and Kermadec Islands in its population total, but excludes Niue, the Cook Islands and Tokelau
  • Norway is confusing, they seem to count people in Svalbard or Jan Mayen as if they still lived at their last mainland address (if I read the commentary correctly)

Ben Arnold (talk) 11:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)