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blank lines[edit]

You can't get a reply? I don't see a message from you to me anywhere. I can't find a MoS reference to lists, but Help:List doesn't give blank lines inbetween list items as an option. What is the purpose? Tedernst | talk 22:34, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I sent an email to you. What is the accepted practice or what is most often done leave a message on article talk page, the person's talk page or email directly to them? The purpose of blank lines are only to make it a little neater and easier to read. The Help:List mentions blank lines in item two of the contents. I don't understand why you didn't leave a reason for making the change? Thanks, --Jim 22:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Editors preferences vary, though I'd say most will answer something about an article if the question is posed on the talk page of that article. Some also appreciate a pointer from their own user talk page. For me that's not necessary. I'm not aware of any editors preferring email. I don't receive that mail for quite some time, and am unlikely to read it. One reason to keep communication here at Wikipedia is because it's not just you or I that care about this article. Anyone else working here could be interested in our back and forth about how things should go. Bottom line, I don't care that much about the blank lines. I feel the page looks much better without them. I'm not aware of any style guideline that makes it okay to have them in there. I won't take them out again. Tedernst | talk 23:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Email is seldom used. Use talk pages. I think the purpose of the blank lines is that they make the page easier to edit (in the edit window). However, the extra spaces make the page harder to intake for readers, since the entries are spaced out and the eye has to scan more area. I say leave out the spaces. Also, in long dab pages the spaces get rediculous, doubling the length of the page.--Commander Keane 23:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I took them out, sorry for confusion. Thanks for the info and advice. --Jim 01:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Changes to Depression (mood) and Clinical depression[edit]

I see from the history that these changes are likely to be controversial, but this really isn't the page for more than a short sentence of explanation. For example, the extent that brain chemistry changes are involved in clinical depression is not a simple subject, nor is the causality or otherwise of those changes. All that is far too complex a subject to go into here, this should just give a very basic description of the meaning of the term. Its not meant to inform as to the details of the condition - that's what the actual article is for. It's just to help readers find which of the links they want to click to read more. -- sannse (talk) 20:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm working to solve this with more clear cross-referencing between the two articles and resolving ambiguous linking where possible, mostly according to whether described as an illness or treated as such. There are also uses of the word that have been linked which don't come under any of the categories, so I've added depression (physiology), although if you look at the link from the Thesaurus page, it looks like we need depression (geometry) as well, or a wiktionary link. --Cedderstk 09:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. There is a definite difference between that of not feeling well emotionally, and the form of clinical depression in which the victim, (to be termed as such) expeiriences such symptoms varying from a persistant bad mood, to utter hoplessness and despair. As such there should be clear lines seperating the two so as not to induce confusion in the reader.--OpalEye 5:01, 09 July 2006

Varieties of clinical depression[edit]

None of the other depressions listed on this disambig page are subsets of Depression (mood). Some are independent disorders. Some are subtypes of Major depressive disorder, as defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. However, not all countries use DSM. Therefore, there are a variety of terms used for depression in Western countries and world wide. This page should offer the choices that are available, as we do not know what version a particular reader is looking for. If a person has been diagnosed with a depression, Depression (mood) will not help them understand the specific meaning of the formal diagnosis. —Mattisse (Talk) 14:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Addendum: There is no other place on Wikipedia where forms of clinical depression are listed. Depression (mood) does not list them. Major depressive disorder only lists those pertaining to it. Some are hard to find, only being located through a search through categories, so it is a disservice to remove them from this page. —Mattisse (Talk) 14:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Of the eleven links in question (that I believe are unnecessary to list on this page), four are currently listed at Depression (mood)#Psychological disorders (and it may make sense to move the descriptions of each disorder at this page to that list). Two, Postnatal depression and Depressive Disorder Not Otherwise Specified, are not currently listed at Depression (mood) but it would seem to make sense to add both to that list. Four are literally subtopics of Major depressive disorder. And the last one, Kubler-Ross model, I could concede to its being here if it really matters; the reason I omitted it when I did my page cleanup is that the model article doesn't really SAY anything about depression; it just links back to Depression (mood).
The fact that there is no existing article listing various types of depression (although it seems to me that Depression (mood) IS such a list) does not mean they should be listed on the disambiguation page. List of forms of psychological depression can always be created. Propaniac (talk) 12:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and added Postnatal depression and Depressive Disorder Not Otherwise Specified to the list at Depression (mood)#Psychological disorders; if there's no further comment here in the next couple of days, I'll assume there's no conflict anymore and revert the page to my last version. Propaniac (talk) 01:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Major depressive disorder is a work in progress and what is included there now may not be after the FAC. Further, the title is controversial, because Major depressive disorder is not a phrase that a layperson would use to describe depression, nor necessarily would identify with if they were given a diagnosis of depression. In fact, it is not a worldwide term for depression, even among professionals. That is why I believe choices should remain available on this page. —Mattisse (Talk) 02:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Also, currently, all the above are listed at Major depressive disorder, including Postnatal depression (which is technically not part of the DSM classification) and Depressive Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (which is). However, Seasonal affective disorder is not, for some reason, yet it is a fairly common form of depression. —Mattisse (Talk) 02:05, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Naming of the catergory that includes depression[edit]

Should be either labeled medicine or psychiatry. Perferably medicine as most depression is dealt with either by family physicians, psychiatrists or emergency physicians. Psychiatry is the feild that has generated much of the terminology via the DSM4 Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd be ok with "psychiatry", but "medicine" seems a little too broad to me. If it's changed to medicine, the current "physiology" section would also fit under "medicine", and I think it makes more sense to separate the 2. Rreagan007 (talk) 15:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Changes in Severity of Allergy and Anxiety Symptoms Are Positively Correlated in Patients with Recurrent Mood Disorders Who Are Exposed to Seasonal Peaks of Aeroallergens[edit]

See also PMID 19430577 PMC 2678838 Free PMC Article


Allergy and Anxiety Symptoms Are Positively Correlated in Patients with Recurrent Mood Disorders Who Are Exposed to Seasonal Peaks of Aeroallergens (PubMed article)

Changes in Severity of Allergy and Anxiety Symptoms Are Positively Correlated in Patients with Recurrent Mood Disorders Who Are Exposed to Seasonal Peaks of Aeroallergens PMID 19430577 [PubMed] PMC 2678838 Free PMC Article

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articlerender.cgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=19430577

"We have recently found a preliminary association between symptoms of upper airway inflammation and depression (23) and between the seasonality of mood and self-reported mood sensitivity to high pollen counts (24). Additionally, in an animal model intended to examine the effects of allergic sensitization to tree pollen on depressive symptoms, we found significant anxiety-like behavior across trials in the sensitized animals following exposure to tree pollen (25). In individuals with allergic sensitization, when mast cell bound IgE antibody is crosslinked by specific allergens, an activating signal is transduced which results in mast cell degranulation and the release of inflammatory mediators and cytokines. Clinical investigation suggests that Th2-type lymphocytes are predominantly activated in allergic diseases. Th2 cells are characterized by their production of IL-4, IL-5, and IL-13.
Cytokines, administered in amounts below the threshold necessary to induce “sickness behaviors,” have been shown to induce anxiety, depression, and cognitive disturbances in healthy subjects (26). An increase in cytokine levels in the blood has been hypothesized as one potential catalyst for the decompensation of depression (27-29). Cytokine-treated patients may also experience an increase in depressive symptoms, including suicidal ideation and attempted suicide (30-33). Even a low dose of cytokine-promoting endotoxins such as lipopolysaccharides (LPS), can trigger depressive symptoms along with anxiety without bringing about other sickness behaviors (26). Certain cytokines released during LPS-induced inflammation are also released during the allergic response. For instance, mast cell degranulation releases TNF-α (34), the administration of which has been shown in animal models to be anxiogenic (33). We have seen that sensitization and subsequent exposure to tree pollen (25) and intranasal LPS administration (35) induce anxiety-like behaviors in sensitized rodents. Additionally, we have reported increased gene expression of cytokines involved with allergic inflammation (36) in the orbital cortex of suicide victims, where histopathological changes in suicide victims have been previously reported (14)."

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The relationship between anxiety and allergy scores became non-significant when we adjusted for depression scores for covariates. This suggests that the depression and anxiety scores are highly intercorrelated, with anxiety symptoms as a component of the depressive syndrome, or indicative of comorbidity between anxiety and depression. On the other hand, the relationship between depression scores and allergy symptom scores remained significant after adjustment for anxiety symptoms. These data suggest that the relationship between allergic disease and depression is a major phenomenon, and seemingly more robust than the one between allergic disease and measures of anxiety. However, our animal model data point towards a more consistent association between anxiety-like behaviors rather than depressive-like behaviors and with sensitization and exposure to tree pollen allergen (35,52). ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.61.217 (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)