Talk:Deutschlandlied

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Detail on Petkovic and her reaction[edit]

Additional information on Petkovic's motivation and ethnic self identification is imho way too much detail for this article on the anthem (nor did her reaction and attitude differ all that much from the rest of German team).

That aside simply adding her (foreign) place of birth provides not explanatory value on its own. To draw any reasonable conclusions on self identification you need to know where (and how) a person was raised, i.e. the socialization during its childhood and adolescence. That however would require even more details and all that stuff is too much off topic here and at best belongs in Petkovic's own WP article.--Kmhkmh (talk) 16:37, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Nazi symbol? How to describe the status of the Deutschlandlied[edit]

"After the Second World War ended in 1945, singing "Das Lied der Deutschen" was banned along with other symbols of Nazi Germany by the Allies."

I am undoing the (unsourced) addition of "other" in this text and adding a citation-needed tag to the whole statement. There are several issues:

  • "Other" would seem to add an overly broad implication that the song is a Nazi symbol. A more circumspect description could possibly be argued.
  • Since the whole song was actually the anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany from about 1952 to 1991 (though only the third verse was normally sung), it does not seem appropriate to state or imply, without further qualification, that it is a Nazi symbol.
  • If there was a ban after WW2, it was very temporary, so the whole statement is misleading (though it could be reworded).
  • The alleged ban presumably refers to Law 154 for the American zone, which makes "banned ... by the Allies" slightly misleading.
  • It is not clear if Law 154 actually applied to this song.

I am inclined to remove the whole sentence, though it could perhaps be saved by adding more detail and very reliable sources. I would suggest moving the sub-section Modern use of the first stanza to this section (from the Criticism section) since it does not deal mainly with criticism of the topic itself and would probably be the best place to discuss the current status of the first verse (with appropriate reliable sources). --Boson (talk) 11:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)