Talk:Dire Straits

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RfC: Is the band British or English?[edit]

Is Dire Straits a British band or an English band? Binksternet (talk) 23:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • British. A past discussion about this issue took place in 2008: Talk:Dire Straits/Archive 1#English band? The brief discussion determined that the band was British. I agree the band is British because the two Knopflers were born in Scotland to an English mother and a Jewish-Hungarian émigré father, making the boys not solely English, hence the band is not purely English.
    Mark Knopfler was asked once whether the band Dire Straits had a distinctive "British" sound and he said no, that the band's sound was not "American or English or Japanese or German."[1] Thus we know that Mark does not think of the band as being tied to a geopolitical entity. In the US, Billboard magazine called Dire Straits "the British band"[2] but another time they said "English",[3] so that source cancels out. British author Howard Sounes calls Dire Straits a British band.[4] Indian novelist Pico Iyer calls Dire Straits a British band.[5] Binksternet (talk) 23:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

RfC: Is Mark Knopfler British or English or Scottish?[edit]

Is Mark Knopfler British or English or Scottish? Binksternet (talk) 23:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • British. Mark was born in Scotland to an English mother and a Jewish-Hungarian émigré father. Mark spent at least six years of his childhood in Glasgow, Scotland, before the family moved to Newcastle-upon-Tyne in north-east England near Scotland. Mark said he drew from the northern Celtic tradition of his childhood for the film score he created for Local Hero.[6] Certainly he came of age in England but his roots span the UK. Binksternet (talk) 23:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment If there is any debate, shouldn't we just write British (which includes English and Scottish anyway)? --Precision123 (talk) 09:00, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

RfC: Is David Knopfler British or English or Scottish?[edit]

Is David Knopfler British or English or Scottish? Binksternet (talk) 23:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • British. David was born in Scotland to an English mother and a Jewish-Hungarian émigré father. David spent three or four years of his childhood in Glasgow, Scotland, before the family moved to Newcastle-upon-Tyne in north-east England near Scotland. The BBC calls David "British".[7] Discogs calls David "Scottish",[8] which I think is too much of a simplification, but it is an argument against "English". Binksternet (talk) 23:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment He is Scottish or British by birthright according to all sources as they all cite that he was born in Glasgow, Scotland. He was raised in Scotland until he was 7 years old at which point he moved to England. It is possible that he adopted English as his nationality at some time after this, but I have not seen one item of evidence citing the adoption of English as his nationality. To many outside Britain, English is incorrectly synonymous with British. As such it is entirely possible that the confusion arises from writers not entirely versed in the complexities of nationality within the UK. Unless a citation can be found directly quoting David Knoplfler asserting "English" as his nationality, or other documented proof of a nationality change, he should be referred to as either Scottish or British (both would be considered correct). Song-writing-muse (talk) 10:10, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
    • There is no way of "adopting" one of the sub-nationalities within the UK. Officially, you're British and that's it. The Knopflers were born in Scotland of English and Hungarian parentage, and raised in Scotland and England. Both speak with English accents, and Mark Knopfler seems to identify most strongly with Tyneside in north-east England, and as the older brother he would have spent more of his childhood in Scotland. To call either of them "Scottish", without qualification, would be misleading. Probably best to go with "British" up front, and go on to explain in more detail in the article. --Nicknack009 (talk) 12:10, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Genre[edit]

Knopfler describes Dire Straits as a "rock 'n' roll orchestra" which, with dual keyboards, is not comparable to the definition of "hard rock" as being like Led Zeppelin, The Who, Deep Purple, Aerosmith, AC/DC and Van Halen. Secondarywaltz (talk) 05:14, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Who the hell are you people? Have you ever heard the music, or is it all "Money for nothing"? Secondarywaltz (talk) 05:15, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

"isn't even a fan of Dire Straits' early hits."[edit]

The above appears, as a quote, in the discussion of the possibility of a reunion. (It's not clear whether it's being attributed to Knopfler or Illsley.) However, that quote doesn't appear in either of the sources cited. Is this a real quote, and if so, who said it and where? 24.76.164.207 (talk) 22:53, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

If Dire Straits were ...[edit]

Is the use of the plural past tense correct, in the opening sentence: "Dire Straits were a British rock band..."?

Yes, when used as a noun to describe a narrow passage of water connecting two seas or two large areas of water, you would use "the straits were wide" for example.

In this case, Dire Straits refers to a proper noun, combined with the fact:

"To Be” is the only English verb with two past tense forms, but only “were” is used in unreal conditional sentences.[1]

Conditional sentence -- meaning used in combination with 'if' and 'were'.

Example: If I were in a band, it would be Dire Straits.

Using "were" instead of "was" tells the reader I was not, and definitely am not, a member of the band Dire Straits, but rather if in the future by some strange pretzel-type twist of fate -- I could be, I would be. (Another way to say "were" is "was to be".)

Dire Straits did exist and is not a plural noun rather a singular thing, a band, therefore, a band is and was, not were.

(Mark Knopfler has a degree in English from Leeds. I think he would appreciate this edit. :))

Thanks Lakemcdougall (talk) 22:36, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@Lakemcdougall: This article is written in British English and were is correct. Mlpearc (open channel) 23:05, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

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