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Changed header to secular
The term is used outside of Christianity, and I wanted to keep the Christian information on the page, but I secularized the header so someone looking up the term isn't bogged down with theological perspectives, and gets the wrong idea that someone using the term is always appealing to divine authority rather than, say, plain judgments of reason. The scope of the term as a virtue, alone, exceeds a religious context, but I feel that all the virtues deserve those religious contexts in their articles. Thanks. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Not only Religious Context
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=discernment shows a more comprehensive (wordly) definition. However, as a definition it doesn't belong in Wikipedia but may belong in Wiktionary. (I added this sub-heading after I noticed that the most-recent entries were inserted above the earlier entries. Additional argument is below. (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Discernment&action=submit#Begin_with_a_reference)
Not only Christian Context
http://www.google.ca/dictionary?q=discernment&langpair=en%7Cen&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ysT-TODTD8adnAf6wsH0CQ&ved=0CBcQmwMoAA shows that it is for also non christian contexts, it should be moved into a Christian_discernment page — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProIntel (talk • contribs) 23:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Can someone please tell me why there is a box for the Jesuits on this page? Discernment is by no means limited to the Jesuit order. I feel that unless there is a reason, it should be removed ASAP. --Entoaggie09 03:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
- Update: Jesuit infobox removed. --Entoaggie09 22:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
discernment is a keen sense of moral insight, questionable to itself; discernment: creating concern, "disregard of concern" not incorporating concern, where otherwise "imperative to a just or fair conclusion"; involving more than one person’s thought, or judgments, raising immorality into the objective EXAMPLE: Creating discern as a substitute for concern; implying "without immorality" there would be "no morality", by observing the later over the obvious, "discern" an attempmt to disolve acknowledgement by means of lack of concern, implicated,."to cancel or displace". February 27, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by James Westra22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Communication with angels?
I'm concerned with this bit: "The Creator willed that there should be communication between angels and men..." Where in Scripture does this appear? I know there are religious beliefs that encourage men to communicate with angels but this belief, to my knowledge, is foreign to the Christian faith. If Scripture or Christian doctrine cannot be supplied to support this statement, I believe it should be removed from the article. --Selderane (talk) 05:39, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Selderane just because you don't know how to test the spirits (Angels) Does not mean that we can not speak to them. God said that in the last days that He would poor Him spirit out upon all men (women) this is a fact and I think if someone wants to learn to speak to angels should not be stopped just because you think its wrong and not found in the Bible. God has more to offer than just whats in His word. Look what happend to prayer in schools because of 1 women. Lightbreaer (talk) 01:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)lightbearer
Begin with a reference
If we begin with a reference rather than an opinion we are more likely to reach an objective conclusion than a subjective conclusion. That is, if the term is included in Wikipedia, at all. In my opinion it does not belong here. Wiktionary has a definition, though. An appropriate title for this article might be "Religious Discernment". As such it may be properly be discussed, say for its contribution to philosophy and/or ethics.
Princeton's online site, http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=discernment is a good reference. Wiktionary's is here: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discernment.
Two examples, each of which shows usage in a non-religious context, follow.
1. When mining social network information for security-related intelligence it is important to discern which information may have an alternate (encoded) meaning from information that clearly does not. Then, perhaps one can discern meaning in terms of security.
2. I can visually discern this shade of blue, rgb(00,00,FF) from this shade of blue rgb(00,00,FD). Can you?
This isn't only Christian, as others pointed out, but even within Christianity, it's very far from being only a Catholic thing... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 01:53, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Borderline page status
I made several edits to improve scope, but even after my edits this page is awfully borderline as a proper page topic. It would likely be better to model this page after the judgement page (itself no beauty) which is structured as a quasi-disambiguation page. Here, the Christian subpage alone is notable. While no other sense of discernment is notable in itself, it doesn't hurt for this page to direct people to the general topics of perception, psychology, or morality if the narrow Christian sense is not what they seek. I suspect that's too much to do in the header of the Christian subpage, so it might as well be here. — MaxEnt 10:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)