Talk:Dissolution of the Soviet Union

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Soviet Union centre[edit]

What the heck is "Soviet Union centre" that is mentioned numerous times in the article? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 13:52, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

We were first!, No us![edit]

There seems to be half a dozen contradictory statements in this article to the effect that either this or that former soviet republic was the first to demonstrate/rise up/etc. I would suggest that all these instances of nationalist posturing are removed, because it seriously weakens the credibility of the text in general.79.146.239.229 (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Historical revisionism in this wiki article[edit]

Please prevent politically motivated historical revisionism in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wzx 111‎ (talkcontribs)

Please be more specific. We cannot read you mind. -M.Altenmann >t 00:09, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
However I do see some section titles are weird. Probably work of some student's wikipedia assignment. -M.Altenmann >t 00:21, 26 December 2014 (UTC)


declaration no. 142-H[edit]

Any one know an Englishy translation of the declaration? Frenchmalawi (talk) 20:41, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Heck, I cannot find any translation of the title of the declaration :-) Do you need a reference or you want the text? -M.Altenmann >t 22:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
text is what I'd like to read. tHanks. Frenchmalawi (talk) 13:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


Council of the Republics of the USSR Supreme Soviet


Declaration on the Establishment of the Commonwealth of Independent States on December 26, 1991 № 142-[Н]


Backed by the will expressed by the highest state authorities of the Republic of Azerbaijan, Republic of Armenia, Republic of Belarus, Republic of Kazakhstan, Republic of Kyrgyzstan, Republic of Moldova, the Russian Federation, Republic of Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Republic of Uzbekistan and Ukraine on the establishment of the Commonwealth of Independent States, the Council of the Republics of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR declares that with the creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States, the USSR as a state and subject of international law ceases to exist.

The Council of the Republics of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR addresses the leaders of the Independent States with a proposal to consider the following issues:

  • On the succession of the USSR and of the all-Union bodies of state power and administration in connection with the formation of the Commonwealth of Independent States;
  • The establishment of the Commonwealth interparliamentary body to maintain a unified legal, economic, humanitarian and ecological space in the territories of the states - members of the Commonwealth;
  • Ratification, implementation and denunciation of international treaties signed by the USSR before the Commonwealth.

The Council of the Republic of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR encourages higher representative bodies of state power and the heads of states - members of the Commonwealth to take all measures within their power to ensure the rights and freedoms of citizens irrespective of their nationality in accordance with the Declaration of Human Rights and Freedoms {s:ru:Декларация_прав_и_свобод_человека, not to be confused with the Declaration of Human Rights}, peaceful co-existence of the Commonwealth, the democratic development of their statehood, good neighborly relations and cooperation with the states and peoples of the world community, the steady implementation of international obligations arising from treaties and agreements of the USSR.

Chairman of the Council of the Republics of the Supreme Soviet

 A. Alimjanov

- Nothing nontrivial, I would say. -M.Altenmann >t 17:18, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

>t - Thanks a million. Your response here is really encouraging. Restores a bit of my faith in the Wikipedia idea. I encounter so many BIFFO editors. You kindly gave me a bit of time and thought and prepared the above. I appreciate it! If I knew how to, I would nominate you for a barnsatar of some sort.
Thanks a lot, maybe if you've translated the above, you might want to contribute the translation to English Wikisource. All the best. Frenchmalawi (talk) 00:10, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
I absolutely hate the idea of barnstars and the whole wikilove shit. they create an illusion that normal civilized behavior is something exceptional. "thx" should be enough. i suspect those who collect barnstars are miserable losers in real life, and brandishing their BS pumps their ego. i find this ironic that BS is an abbrev both for BarnStar and for what you thought.
I translated the text not because i am such a nice guy, but because i understand that this may be of use for wikipedia.
i have no idea how wikisource authorizes "unauthorized" translations. you know ctrl-C ctrl-V, right? meaning, 'bug off, i helped you out, but with this s*it you can help yourself', meaning 'wikipedia is a collaborative project'. -M.Altenmann >t 03:25, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
P.S. And i am an idiot: s:Declaration no. 142-N of the Soviet of the Republics of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. When doing google search it did not occur to me that the index of the declaration, 142-Н, may be translated as well. -M.Altenmann >t 03:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again >t and it's refreshing to hear your thoughts on the barnstar-types. Frenchmalawi (talk) 14:09, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Editing note[edit]

The approach of the 25th anniversary of the first proclamation of independence by a Soviet republic (Lithuania: March 11, 1990) prompted me to copy-edit the present article for English style, syntax, chronology and readability – but not for content. I have added nothing new other than a few minor details known to me from extensive reading. (Latest read: The Last Empire: The Final Days of the Soviet Union, by Serhii Plokhy. Basic Books, New York, 2014.)

Ex-Soviet citizen

This important, comprehensive and generally well-documented article is very long. I managed to condense a bit here and there, but it still totals some 14,500 words.

Maybe a historically knowledgeable user – perhaps someone from one of the former Soviet states – might be able to suggest passages that could be trimmed or deleted as repetitive or redundant – ??

С наилучшими пожеланиями! Sca (talk) 16:57, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

After Soviet Collapse Canada Becomes BIGGEST Country in the World[edit]

What is conspicuously absent in this article is the shift of status of BIGGEST country in the world from Russia to Canada after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. I witnessed this event with my very own eyes on the TV during Christmas of 1991 when the USSR and Russia clearly collapsed and broke into 1000 pieces thereby making Canada the BIGGEST country in the world. People who told me otherwise at that time were communists from the "o continente" whoare not even the real Abrileiros therefore this article may be biased towards the communists from the Lisboa and from the "o continente" because the Wikipedia entry on the dissolution of the Soviet Union doesn´t mention that with the break-up of Russia into 1000 pieces Canada became, by default, the BIGGESTcountry in the world.GatineauWhereTheRealAbrileiroLives (talk) 12:14, 28 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GatineauWhereTheRealAbrileiroLives (talkcontribs) 12:01, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

@GatineauWhereTheRealAbrileiroLives: See WP:No original research. You'll have to cite sources to back up this claim in the article. NottNott talk|contrib 12:16, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Date of Transnistrian independence incorrect[edit]

Under "Chronology of declarations of newly-independent states" the declaration of independence of Transnistria is stated as September the 2nd 1990, but this is the date that it (the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic; PMSSR) declared independence from the Moldovan SSR, not the USSR as a whole according to the wiki page on the history of Transnistria. If there is a date, it is the 25th of August 1991 when (two days before the declaration of independance of Molodova) they declared independence again after Gorbachev had signed an order revoking their September 2nd declaration of independence. "On 25 August 1991, the Supreme Council of the PMSSR adopted the declaration of independence of the republic.", but it seems this was from Moldova again, not the USSR.

Arguably, either the PMSSR never left the USSR (which seems more likely) or it left on the 25th of August 1991. Either way, the date displayed on this page is wrong. For sources, see History of Transnistria

Hentheden (talk) 13:36, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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Link is good. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:03, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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Controversial[edit]

«[…] the dissolution of the USSR also signaled the end of the Cold War.» Source necessary. I actually think this statement has no place in the lede, in this form at least. In Russia itself, the end of the Cold War is usually marked by the events of the end of the eighties, like Gorbachov's speech. That is, when the Soviet Union dissolved, the Cold War had already ended, through unilateral generosity. You see, there is a controversy. - 91.122.0.186 (talk) 13:17, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of GIF[edit]

There was a GIF showing the break-up of the Union. The last slide stated that Crimea joined Russia in 2014. This is incorrect. It did not join Russia, it was illegally invaded and is not recognized as being anything but part of the Ukraine. The GIF in itself it great but the last part needs removing before it can be put back on Cls14 (talk) 09:26, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article on Crimea characterizes it as under de facto Russian administration. I don't know that "joins" has to mean full international recognition. The coloring of Crimea on the map, post 2014, is striped blue and red, indicating disputed territory (those colors being the map colors of Ukraine and Russia respectively). I think that the GIF should remain up until there is consensus for removing it, per WP:BRD; but I'll leave it off for now, pending hearing how others feel. Dhtwiki (talk) 13:59, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and restored the gif, pending consensus to remove it, as further editing of the article makes it (slightly) less likely that I could do it as easily. Dhtwiki (talk) 06:03, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Well, technically neither statement is incorrect and both statements are correct. That is, Crimea legally joined Russia and was recognised as part of Russia, and Crimea was illegally invaded by Russia and was not recognised as part of Russia. As to the Wikipedian standards, you will find both options in respectable sources. Besides, there are many kinds of recognition, apart from the legal kind: for example, back in 2003, the US claimed that illegal action is righteous, and did not withdraw the claim since then. What is righteous for one is righteous for everybody. - 91.122.5.28 (talk) 21:00, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
The main question here should be why this is featured in an article on the dissolution of the Soviet Union, which, additionally, in its body text specifically covers events from 1986 to 1991. The chronology gif is interesting, but apart from controversy related issues it is decidedly weird to include a 2014 event. -- MiG (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)