Talk:Racial diversity in United States schools

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Untitled[edit]

Thanks for starting this article. Please continue improving the article. Add links to other related articles. Good luck and let me know if I can be of help. Cullen328 (talk) 04:35, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Be sure that the first sentence is complete and defines a notable topic. Cullen328 (talk) 04:41, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Revising and Editing Diversity in the classroom[edit]

Hi, I am Amanda and I am revamping this page for an assignment in my Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities course at Rice University. I have revised a wiki emtry before, so I am familiar with the style of the writing (i.e. neutral rather than first person) and I will be citing all of my sources.

Proposed Topic[edit]

I would like to focus this article on Racial Diversity in Classrooms in the United States for now, because I think that topic is specific enough that I can adequately cover it without being too vague, but is also a broad enough topic to contain generalizable knowledge. This would entail removing the section on Malaysia and re-titling the article, at least temporarily. I suggest that I and/or other Wikipedia editors create pages on other types of diversity (gender, sexual, etc.) and other nations (besides the U.S.) later on to give a holistic view of diversity in the classroom on Wikipedia. Once those pages are created, they could be synthesized by the page Diversity in the Classroom as subpages, or links on the main page. Please let me know if other users feel this is feasible organization-wise.

Content[edit]

Specifically, I would like to include an explanation of the definition of racial diversity in the classroom, the background or history of racial diversity in the American classroom (including "separate but equal" and Brown v. Board of Ed), research on the effects of racial diversity on learning in children of all races and socioeconomic backgrounds, the social implications of racial diversity in the classroom, and current policy on racial diversity in schools (including views on affirmative action in different states/regions).

Sources[edit]

My sources would include readings from my PJHC course as well as books, newspapers, academic journals, etc. My anticipated sources include Nussbaum’s Creating Capabilities: The Human Development Approach, the UN’s Millennium Development Goals, Thomas Shapiro’s The Hidden Cost of Being African American, Wikipedia, the New York Times, and the Journal of Diversity in Higher Education, among others.

Links[edit]

I propose linking this article to other Wikipedia articles, including the Education, Racial segregation in the United States, Racism in the United States, and Educational Attainment in the United States pages. I would also like to edit the first sentence so that it summarizes the content of the page. After editing, I plan to create an outline for the page so that it is easier to read and navigate.

Please let me know if you have any comments, questions, concerns, or suggestions. You can place them here or directly on my talk page. Thanks, Weatherby551 (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Wiki peer contribution[edit]

Amanda, I feel your "Background" section could use a little bit of revision. First, I would like to include more links in the page so that you'll be redirected to other pages. Second, I could provide citations 1-12, but only if you give me the list of links that were provided for them. Lastly, I feel that the "Plessy v. Ferguson" is an important enough topic to deserve more information then that. So I'll include more there, and perhaps the "Americanization School" section as well.

J hernan26 (talk) 00:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)J hernan26

Update[edit]

Okay, this is finished. I added the in-text links throughout the sections I worked on, as well as properly formatted the footnotes below. However, I'm afraid that without full documentation, I will not be able to expand the references section much. I also expanded the "Plessy v. Ferguson" as noted by adding an additional 2.5 paragraphs. In doing so, I introduced to more sources, both of which are listed at the bottom of the page.

Update 2[edit]

Amanda, here were general suggestions that I followed and that you should, too:

  1. You need a Reference and/or footnotes list. Just follow the example I provided you with and you should be fine. I noticed you had listed the citation within the text when I was in edit mode, but due to technical errors, they were not displaying properly. Fix this.
  1. You're completely lacking a "See also" section. You need to include at least a handful of links to related pages so that your page has a much larger chance of generating traffic. Possible page links could be included towards Race, Gender, Native American, African America, Jim Crow....pages like these will do fine.
  1. Your "Americanization School" section could use some expansion. I feel that the concept of the assimilation-induced environment is important and deserves more information. List some of its negative effects on the minority children who were enrolled into them. Maybe even a quote or something from a notable figure who advocated such schools

I hope these suggestions get the ideas flowing. Good luck!!!

J hernan26 (talk) 06:46, 9 April 2012 (UTC)J hernan26

Reply[edit]

Hi Juan! Thanks for the edits. I have been planning on fleshing out the Background and Americanization sections and fixing the references, I just haven't done so yet because I am still working on other parts of the draft, but I appreciate your comments. I will keep your suggestions about including more links to other Wiki pages (both in the article itself and in a list at the end) in mind when I do my final revisions. Thank you very much for expanding the section on Plessy v. Ferguson. This has been really helpful!

-Amanda/Weatherby551 (talk) 00:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Revision Suggestions[edit]

Overall you’ve done a great job expanding this article!

You’re already planning on expanding the background sections, so obviously you already know to do that. Your section on Native American Schools is somewhat unclear—you say that schools like the Carlisle Indian School and Hampton Institute had already been established, but then you talk about missionaries establishing them? It makes the timeline unclear. When you’re expanding background, I would be interested to see you cover the changes in thought surrounding Indian schools and Americanization schools.

In your section on theory, you mention that there’s little correlation between racial diversity in the classroom and the performance of minority students. Is there a similar lack of correlation for white students? That would be something interesting to examine.

Your policy section is overall good, but since you put forth the criticism section for affirmative action, I would love to see praise and criticism sections for NCLB and desegregation busing as well. Allisonraven (talk) 04:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Reply[edit]

Hey Allison,

I didn't realize the timeline for Americanization schools was unclear so I will be sure to fix that and expand the section in my final revisions. I will try to find some information/research about the relationship between white students' performance in the classroom and diversity in that classroom. I will also keep your suggestion about more praise/criticism sections in mind.

Thanks for your comments! -Amanda/Weatherby551 (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

More Revision Suggestions[edit]

So, first of all, this was a really good expansion to this article. I like the things you have done, and like the previous edits above, I think one of the main things that could use some change is the Backgrounds section. I would just add more, since there is so much that can be used to introduce the history of segregation in schooling. And as far as the Americanization subsection, I definitely would expand more on that as well because, like Allison, I was a bit confused as to what was going on in that section. This section overall is the one you could work the most on, but these are little things that would just make the article more clear overall.

Also, I agree that maybe you should add praise and criticism to the other subsections in "Policy," but also, I think that you could include a bit more about things such as the Desegregation busing. However, this is just a picky thing, because I know that you linked it to the actual article that goes into detail about that topic.

So overall, I say great job and good luck on your edits! Natashacruz12 (talk) 22:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Reply[edit]

Hi Natasha!

I agree, the Background section needs editing and I plan on fleshing it out in my final revisions. I will try to make the timeline around Americanization schools more clear as well. I was actually planning on doing more with the busing section as well, so don't worry, it is not a nit-picky comment. Anyway, thanks for your comments and let me know if you have any other questions or comments about the article!

-Amanda/Weatherby551 (talk) 00:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Impact of recent student edits[edit]

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Move request[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move to the modified title, Racial diversity in United States schools.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:22, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


Racial diversity in the U.S. classroomRacial diversity in schools of the United States – The current title sounds as if there's one "U.S. classroom", the proposed title clarifies potential misunderstandings and is clearer as well. --The Evil IP address (talk) 12:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.