Talk:Dixieland

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Name of article[edit]

The name of the article is "Dixieland". The article starts out talking about "Chicago style jazz". Why? 129.16.121.43 (talk) 15:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Dixie is a region encompassing most of the Confederacy. This music did not originate from, nor was it played in, Tampa, Charleston, Montgomery, Talahassee, Richmond, Greensboro, Atlanta, etc. Rather, it originated from New Orleans. Also, the music has no association with the concept of the Confederacy. Hence this type of music ought to be called New Orleans Jazz, just as Italian opera is called Italian opera, Viennese waltzes are called Viennese waltzes, etc. even though they are performed in many different places. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palmleaf (talkcontribs) 21:54, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

I agree completely. When the style was developing, it was not called "Dixieland" and it developed in one locale, New Orleans, not throughout the Land of Dixie. The "Dixieland" moniker wasn't applied to the music until the 1940s effort to revive it, and the music promoted during that revival was often quite different from the original New Orleans jazz. There is record of New Orleans musicians travelling up the Mississippi, to New York, and to the west coast before 1917, but not through the deep south. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.51.98 (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
The list of musicians fits the "Dixieland" theme in the sense that it includes the revivalists, but none of the musicians who were influential in the development of the music through the era of New Orleans jazz that ended in 1917. Louis Armstrong became influential after the New Orleans era. I think it would be appropriate to keep this page focused on revival styles, which are after all loved by many and an authentic part of the American cultural scene, but revise it to distinguish it more from the music that developed in New Orleans. It was a shock to click on a link to "New Orleans Jazz" and have it direct to this page. New Orleans jazz should be a separate page from this one.75.111.51.98 (talk) 04:33, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


Can we call this article "Traditional Jazz"? This is a much less offensive term than "Dixieland", is more accurate, and is the preferred terminology among musicians and academics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:B10C:3BE0:A865:CE7:326E:FDF0 (talk) 16:31, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Etymology section and the term "Creole Jazz"[edit]

Since it is mentioned in the etymology that non-creole bands used the term "Creole Jazz" to describe their band, I am going to adjust this section just a bit.

The idea that the word "Creole" in this sense is used to discribe the ethnic makeup of the band is disproven by the fact that some of these bands were not made up of Creoles. Therefore, this interpretation of the term "Creole" seems to be original research unless it can be sourced. Rag-time4 08:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I think an important part it was the influence of the success of the Original Creole Orchestra. (Hm, we still don't have an article on them... oh yeah, I think I'd just finished Larry Gushee's great book about them shortly before some major distractions came up here in New Orleans two years ago... anyway...) King Oliver's band seems to have inherited the term directly through Bill Johnson (jazz musician). I think Dutrey might have been the only actual "Creole" in Oliver's band when it recorded. Another factor in bands labeling themselves "Creole" may have been that the term suggested being a bit "above" simply being Black in the era's racial segregation and prejudices. -- Infrogmation 12:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

To add: audio file[edit]

needs a sample music file!

Text to incorporate[edit]

This text was moved from Dixieland music, and needs to be incorporated (most of it is already in the article:

"Dixieland" is often concidered the first true type of Jazz, and was the first music refered to by the term jazz (before 1917 often spelled "jass"). The style combined earlier Ragtime and Blues with collective improvisation.

This jazz style developed in New Orleans early in the 20th century, and was first spread by New Orleans musicians to Chicago and New York in the mid 1910s.

Some musicians and music historians prefer the terms "Classic Jazz" or "Traditional Jazz" to "Dixieland".

Done. I wrote the above to fill in a pre-existing link to "Dixieland_Music". I've incorporated that (with some other additions) ind "Dixieland".

Origin of name[edit]

is the origin of the name "dixieland" known?

Sure, "In Dixie Land I'll take my stand, to live and Die in Dixie!" From the great old song that is now hardly ever heard (for reasons I sympathize with, but I *love* that song). And the name of the music came from the Original Dixieland Jass Band. What isn't known is the origin of the word Dixie. Two most prominent theories are the Mason-Dixon line separating north from south and the Dix on the French 10-dollar coins from New Orleans. That Georgia Peach, Ortolan88

Etymology section[edit]

Lots of POV and OR, no sources. I think this section needs to be stripped down to a few sentences. Most of it is unsourced generalization.Verklempt (talk) 02:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Please do not remove #4[edit]

The problem with the new manifestation of Traditional Jazz is that people are being a little too traditional. There is a new movement going on yet every time someone mentions it on this page, someone else says "I dont recognize this" and deletes it. If you don't want Dixieland to die with your generation, maybe you could read the paragraph and click the links. Don't worry, learning new things in the post bebop era does not cause prostate tumors. You might find something interesting. Its obvious that anyone on this page has a place in their heart for Dixieland music. Lets not keep if locked up in a museum. College kids (and younger) are turning out in droves to see this these shows. There's no reason to be against that. I beleive the paragraph was mistaken for a personal plug. I doubt Phish and MMW have as much free time as we do. This was a legit addition to the article. Thank you

Hi. Please sign your comments by adding "~~~~" at the end. Certainly Wikipedia should cover jam bands, but it is not part of traditional or "Dixieland" jazz. The influence of Trad jazz on that style, as well as swing, contemporary brass band, hip hop etc are topics we could use more on. please see Wikipedia:NPOV. Cheers, -- 17:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you may have missed the point. Dixieland has now entered the jam band scene, and even made a rivaval in it. But I can see you're not going to allow wikipedia to see past your own horizons. I think some people just feel safe when they think they know everything. Normally, I tell these people to stay home when I meet them at jazz clubs. In your case I'd say the opposite.

~I would have to agree with the first comment about not deleting the modern Dixieland. Wiki:NPOV seems like it would rather you not delete the section. I missed the chance to read this #4, but I gather what's going on by reading these comments. I too have noticed a revival of trad Jazz as of lately. I understand that it commonly takes place along side the jam band circuit. i love the boaby I would like to point out that "Jam Band" is not a style of music. It refers to the scene. That is to say, a dixieband could easily be considered a Jam Band and in my opinion is the original form of Jam Bands. Bonaroo is a world class music festival for Jam bands. I saw Dirty Dozen there. Does that mean they're not traditional now? Dixie bands of long ago would be proud of the youngsters who are today playing their traditions. Of course they're going to play it where it fits. It may not be New Orleans anymore but the feeling is the same. If #4 was referring to that, I say put it back. Long live Dixie.

Psychedelic[edit]

Clearly we need an article on Psychedelic Dixieland. The Dirty Dozen certainly is not an example of that, but is another modern offshoot. Certainly not Dixieland; they created a unique new style on their own which has been very influential. -- Infrogmation 05:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

This shit sucks major ball sacks! KLM

Standards[edit]

The list was just merged to List of jazz standards (per discussion at talk). You may wish to incorporate a small/referenced part of the old list of dixieland standards in this article. Just a note. -- Quiddity (talk) 18:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction[edit]

Did this style of jazz develop in Chicago or New Orleans? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.211.37.125 (talk) 05:08, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

It looks like this edit by IP 99.108.126.112 created the contradiction: [1]. The lead should always start with the title of the article and explain things from this term on. The article does explain that Chicago Jazz was a development from the original Dixieland style. Also the top dab was changed and it has to go back to disambiguate the term Dixieland, not an "area of the United States colloquially referred to as "Chicago"."(!) However, I have no opinion on whether the term "Hot Jazz" refers only to Chicago Jazz or to Dixieland as well, so I will leave that explanation in the lead. For any further changes, please keep in mind that "Hot Jazz" redirects here, so it should be mentioned in bold somewhere in the first few lines. Hoverfish Talk 15:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)