# Talk:Dominoes

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This link contains lots of rules for domino games. Its content is not free, so we can't use it here directly, but I hope enthusiasts of one or more games will create articles about those games here, and this link should remain here as a good resource. --LDC

## Domino Day

"The Netherlands has hosted an annual domino toppling exhibition called Domino Day since 1986." There were Domino Day like Events as early as 1986, and the Domino Day itself was annual (except 2003), but only from 1998 until 2009. Proof is on the german Entry of Domino Day. Now, I'm just to shy to edit by myself... 188.22.35.39 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC).

## fixed the math

There are 28, not 21, tiles in a double 6 set. I'll try to revert if I can find the change in the history. ... The issue is this: the triangular # formulas are correct, but dominoes include a blank "number" as well. Therefore, for a double-6 set "n" == 7 !! (7*(7+1)/2 = 28) Kace7 (talk) 21:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Corrected. And, clarified. Kace7 (talk) 22:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually, you gave a different formula than the one in the article. In the formula in the article that is [(n+1)(n+2)]/2 tiles and if n=6, and that gives [(6+1)(6+2)]/2 = 7*8/2 = 56/2 = 28. Try to use n=7 on this formula. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Sort of. :) The version I was looking at had the equation as I put it above (see [before my undo]). In my rush to correct the plainly wrong article, I undid the bad revision, then, very soon after, I wrote the clarifying note -- without noticing that the formulas had been changed by the undo. Kace7 (talk) 21:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

## Stacy Dominoes?

I removed this passage from the end of the article:

"Another less common variation of dominos is known as Stacy Dominos in which the rules are less concrete and alter according to the whims of the creator of the game. At the time of the publication of this definition, there is actually only one person who knows how to play this game."

Regardless of the spelling errors, there are problems with this. If this is true, and it sounds too far-fetched to be true, it is not widespread enough to be included in an encyclopedic article. Also, the entry is unreferenced. A Google search of "Stacy Dominoes" yields zero hits. All of this leads me to believe the entry needed to be removed. Jamesfett 15:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

## Scoring

"Muggins (or, All Fives or Five Up)
Points are earned when a player plays a bone with the result that the count (the sum of all open ends) is a multiple of five. The points earned are equal to the sum of the ends. Therefore, if in the course of play a player plays a bone that makes the sum of the ends 5, 10, 15 or 20, the player scores that number. All pips on a crosswise doublet are included in the count."
Is this right, wrong, or poorly phrased? The way I learned to play, a player gets points for the multiple of 5, not the number of spots. E.g. if your sum is 15, you get 3 points. And the spots on a double count as long as it's on an end, but not after another dom has been played on it.
—wwoods 23
17, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

In English pubs it's common for players to place their dominoes in two rows so they may be picked up with one hand, leaving the other hand free to drink a pint.

Is this an unsigned comment? I thought if someone didn't identify themselves that the computer used would be automatically identified? Ileanadu (talk) 12:12, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

I have a different question on scoring. The article says that in a blocked game:

... the winner can often be determined by counting the pips in all players' hands.

Who wins? Who gets to add to their score? The player with the most pips or the player with the fewest pips? Are the winner's pips included in the winner's score? Totally clueless here. By the way, this is not the first time I've ended up with that same question while looking up domino rules.

I guess the answer is supposed to be obvious once you know the rules, but it isn't to me. If the opponent or opposing team's score is determined by the pips in one's hand, then one goal would be to end up with few points. The person with the fewest pips would seem to be closer to being "empty" than the person with more pips and thus would win. On the other hand, since the objective is to achieve a high score, the person with the most pips would have the advantage. Also, in a basic game does the person who blocked the last end get any points for their move? Ileanadu (talk) 12:12, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

## Alabama

Why Dominoes may not be played on Sunday in Alabama? --84.61.54.65 16:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

## Reorganization needed

No offense guys, but this article needs help. Overlooking the monstrous intro paragraph for a moment, I was reading the Common domino games section, trying to learn the game, and was assaulted by these opening sentences:

Most domino games are block games or draw games. In draw games, players draw from the boneyard when they have no matching bone. In block games, players pass and forfeit the turn when they have no matching bone. Otherwise, there is no difference.

Are these really the first four things we want to say about common domino games? As someone who hasn't played dominoes before, this contains very little information. What is a boneyard? What does it mean to "draw" from the boneyard? What is a "bone", and what is a "matching bone"? I realize some of these terms may be defined earlier in the article, but that's not sufficient. A Wikipedia article is not like a software program: you can't just define a bunch of jargon at the top of the article and use it later on without expecting readers to become confused.

To me, the most basic thing about dominoes is that the objective is to play all of one's dominoes before the other player does. Thankfully, this appears in the first paragraph, but for some reason it's hidden at the end. The next most basic thing about dominoes is that a domino is played by matching half of one domino to half of another one. I haven't scanned the article to see if this appears somewhere in it; frankly, I shouldn't have to. I think it should be one of the very first things we say in Common domino games. Instead, the current first sentence digresses to "train games" and "Mexican dominoes" before even describing the basic gameplay.

I don't know enough about dominoes to rewrite large parts of this article, but I'm willing to help with the effort if any of the domino experts in the crowd can pitch in. The first suggestion I'd make is to have a "basic gameplay" section followed by a section on variations. Any takers? --Doradus 15:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Come on, somebody. Apparently it's been a year and there is still no 'basic gameplay' section. I came here today to learn how to play but just wasted my time... --Dec 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.122.206 (talk) 16:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree. Obviously this article is written for people who already know how to play. This is ridiculous. I'll look elsewhere before I consider Wikipedia again for information about rules for playing common games. roricka 11 July 2008

## Mexican train

Does anyone know what the difference between Mexican train and Private train to me they sound the same.--Psjoding 20:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

## Etymology

Isn't the etymology derived from Polyominoes? 81.208.165.173

No. It's the other way around. The resemblence between "do-" and the greek prefix "di-" is coincidental, and suggested the coinage of the much newer word "polyomino." -Stellmach 15:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

It is very popular here in the Dominican Republic. Perhaps that´s where it got it´s name? -a traveler. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.167.71.13 (talk) 19:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

### Who are you?

Who set the 4M-fall record in '06? Pete Townsend 18:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## African American Culture

I am curious as to exactly how the game became such a big part of African American culture. Perhaps this page needs a section on cultural influence/popularity. I know this game is very popular among Italians as well (at least in New York). Scott Free 17:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

## Section for domino Solitaire games

On the Puremco site which is linked at the top of this page there is a domino solitaire game called traffice. The rules are not clear, like many of the rules on that game. Does anyone know this game? How do you play?

## Domino Wars

Evidently invented in 2008-03, this was posted on this page on 2008-03-25. It is 2008-03-30 as I delete it from the page, while preserving the text here on the Talk page, should this "little-known game" have merit.

• Domino Wars is a little known game invented in March 2008 by Joel Stephenson and co in Coventry, UK. Whilst experimenting with ways to use the seemingly boring pieces. Two players are involved; they sit approximately 2meters apart (although this may vary according to the level of difficulty). Each player has 14 dominoes, and a Coaster. They must use 9 of their dominoes to build a "fortress" which must comprise of two layers. The other 5 dominoes must be used to knock down the opponents fortress. The winner of domino wars is the player with the most dominoes still standing after all 5 shots.

How about some evidence before adding such inventions to the Wikipedia? Or at least a definition of a "Coaster". -- Evertype· 22:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

This sounds imho more like a Pub game or a Drinking game than a valid variant of dominoes. Properly designed and with a stylish set of rules then it might qualify as a Dexterity game. Should be removed? Salisbury-99 (talk) 16:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

## Mahjongg is not a domino game

Mahjongg may be made of thick blocks similar in shape to dominoes but it is primarily a card-game. The links should be amended if there is consensus on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salisbury-99 (talkcontribs) 11:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

So Mahjongg is a card game that uses tiles, and Texas 42 is a domino game played like a card game. The line is undoubtedly blurry here. However, it is accepted, from the response to your similar talk section on the Talk:Game page, that both domino games and the mahjongg family are "tile games". Tile games that aren't domino games are usually games similar to cards but using tiles instead, and are thus neither fully here nor there. Maybe a tile game page needs to be created or expanded upon, that can mention Mahjongg, Rummikub and domino games.
Dominoes are defined as double-ended pieces with a dividing line. I see no resemblance to a Mahjongg tile and therefore, as yet, no debate as to consensus. Salisbury-99 (talk) 10:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

## Size

If I were an alien looking at this page I would have a lot of trouble working out how big dominos are. There are details of materials but nothing about dimensions, and all the pictures lack any size context. RPTB1 (talk) 17:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

A funny concept, but I agree. They could be as big as a house! Dominoes can come in any size of course and still be called dominoes, but perhaps a standard size could be listed. Common sense comes into reason of course, such as, since they are a game, they are most likely movable by hand and relatively small, for ease of play and manipulation. I'm sure if one of us bought 20 domino sets from 20 manufacturers, they would differ within a small range of size. ie. 2-3" in length and .75"-1.25" in width. Aliens, beware our huge dominos. Ratataz (talk) 03:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

## History of Domino Toppling

I'm hoping someone can add a history for when toppling dominoes began and when it gained popularity. That's the entire reason I came to Wikipedia today. I'm sure there would be some significance to this. Kit Foxtrot (talk) 19:11, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

## Materials?

The second paragraph discusses materials for dominoes. The last sentence in the paragraph talks about natural materials, and that they are "much more expensive than polymer materials". However, polymers aren't mentioned elsewhere as domino materials.

I'm guessing that polymers should be added early in the paragraph, but have no knowledge to back that up. Anyone? -- Dan Griscom (talk) 12:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

## Missing Information

For the most neophyte of players (me) there is confusion in the article (I think) as what is known about the other player's hand. I found this:

Once the players begin drawing tiles, they are typically placed on-edge before the players, so that each player can see his own tiles, but none can see the value of other players tiles. Every player can thus see how many tiles remain in the other players hands at all times during gameplay.

on another site (sorry about the cut and paste).

I'll not edit at this time because I'm a complete Dominoes dumbell but if some watchlister agrees then please add this information. If it is already in the article please feel free to slap me for the oversight. hydnjo (talk) 02:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Went bold and added info. Undo, delete or modify if I screwed up. hydnjo (talk) 03:58, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Redraw:

Certain variations of the game allow a re-draw if 4 or more of the dominoes in a player's hand turn out to be doubles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.8.72 (talk) 10:34, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

## Spelling

I see that there has been an edit conflict between dominos and dominoes I would like to point out there is a word dominos, In Chamber's it is only for the cloak and not for the playing piece.Tetron76 (talk) 16:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what the "correct" spelling is (which is really what people are actually using, rather than what a dictionary defines, since a dictionary is descriptive, describing what people use, rather than prescriptive, prescribing what people should use). What I do know is that this article is inconsistent and should use one consistently throughout! http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=dominos%2C%20dominoes&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-1 clearly indicates that the version without an "e" is more popular as a search term, though maybe the pizza company of that name has a big influence, and I would want players of the game to give their views. Rugops (talk) 18:52, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

## History: King Tut

I have removed the section saying the "oldest known domino set was found in Tutankhamen's tomb". There were *no* dominoes in King Tut's tomb. In his exhaustive contemporaneous handwritten cards of all the artefacts found in the tomb, the excavator Howard Carter makes no mention of dominoes. He does list three "games-boxes" (items that he numbered 345, 393 and 395): they contained only knuckle-bones, "playing pieces" (similar to draughtsmen) and throwing sticks. (Ref: http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/carter/)

In addition, these first six sentences I have excised were a direct lift from the website that was referenced as an external link (http://www.worlddomino.com/history.htm). Apart from the assertion that dominoes were found in King Tut's tomb, there are at least three other errors in this short section (the correct information below is from the Wikipedia entry on Tutankhamun]

• "Tutankhamen's tomb, among the ruins of Thebes." No, it is in the Valley of the Kings
• "Tutankhamen was king ... 1355 BC." No, his dates were approx. 1341 BC – 1323 BC
• "The set is now in King Tutankhamen's Museum, Cairo, Egypt. " No, there is no museum with this name.

I therefore consider the webpage www.worlddomino.com/history.htm to be an unreliable source of facts, and have deleted it from the article.

Gallina3795 (talk) 15:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Never mind what I said before. I misread your comment. Is there a definitive source for the history of dominoes - an "according to Hoyle"? Ileanadu (talk) 12:44, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

The King Tut history is legit, The Royal Game of Ur or Game of Twenty Squares was unearthed in excavations in the 1920’s and is considered one the oldest complete board games. Commonly reffered to as 1922 discovery of 1 several Senet board games in the Egyptian Tomb of King Tutankhamen. References of Senet and fragments of Senet game boards date back further than the 2600BC’s and is referred to as a royal game. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:CDC6:200:8936:65AF:8A06:7F59 (talk) 23:01, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

## (in the Caribbean)

### Popularity in Puerto Rico

Dominoes is a huge trend in the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. It's actually almost traditional to play it. However there doesn't seem to be much information about this in this wiki page. This could further provide the detail of the Dominoes history. Why don't you guys look into this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.25.229.61 (talk) 23:17, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

### Other such examples, & history

Another comment above says the game is very popular in the Dominican Republic. It is also (or was) very popular in Cuba. The game could have been brought to the Caribbean by Spaniards or by the African slaves. Ileanadu (talk) 12:47, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

TauntingElf (talk) 22:24, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

## Maiden's Hand

Andrew Lo asserts that Zhou Mi meant dominoes when referring to pupai, since the Ming author Lu Rong (1436–1494) explicitly defined pupai as dominoes (in regards to a story of a suitor who won a maiden's hand by drawing out four winning pupai from a set). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominoes#History

This maiden hand mentioned here,is it a winning hand consists of combination of the four winning pupai?

It's not a physical hand of a human maiden right?ShanghaiWu (talk) 11:36, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

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## Plagiarism?

The description of the games seems to be identical with that at this site, but it is not clear which is the source. If onlinecasinobonuswelt.com is the source, it should be summarised and cited, not copied. If Wikipedia is the source, the section should be tagged as needing citations. Is anyone able to work out who has copied whom? Bermicourt (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

To me it looks like that site copied from this article. Partially (just from the domain) it seems like a spammy site, but also most of the matching phrases in this article existed in 2016 (rev 694786397, chosen somewhat arbitrarily) and in 2019 just before the other page was created (rev 928502954). --Pokechu22 (talk) 21:57, 28 December 2020 (UTC)