Talk:Don't Leave Me Now (Pink Floyd song)
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Because the disambiguation link goes nowhere, I edited it out. Heroicraptor 21:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia 3rd edition states that Roger Waters played "repeat guitar" on this track (Page 88). It should perhaps be included in the article 126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sure by "repeat" they mean delay (audio effect), and that would be the chang-chang-chang parts that are currently described in this article as "a reverb-laden synthesizer".
- It's easy to mistake certain sounds in Pink Floyd records for synthesizers. For example, Gilmour often used a lap-steel slide guitar, with a volume pedal to hide the attacks of the notes, and a lot of delay, to create echoey sliding sounds that are quite unlike traditional rock guitar. I'm sure a lot of people mistake these parts (for example, in "Breathe") for synths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben Culture (talk • contribs) 08:38, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Call me literal, but I just wrote a large paragraph for this section describing the actual musical composition of the song (it's one of the most musically unique compositions on the album). After doing so, I didn't know what to do with the text that was already there when I started. It has a lot of POV, and I wasn't sure what to keep of it. So, as of now, it's not there. Here it is:
The song is split into two main portions; the first of which is very quiet and dissonant, reflected by a 'sluggish' piano and reverb-laden synthesiser. The lyrics are rather cynical (as in "The Thin Ice") and have a lackluster quality, accentuating the plot. The second section contains a protracted, emotional plea, and is louder in tone. The song ends as Pink quickly switches between different channels on his TV, and finishes the song with a hysterical scream. The song marks the infidelity of Pink's wife and his corresponding, and increasing, isolation from society. The music has a slow, haunting quality, culminating in a mournful guitar solo.
The first sentence: This has been covered, in what I wrote (without the incorrect use of a semicolon). Describing the piano as "sluggish" seems inappropriate, and using single-quotation marks looks unprofessional to me. (And music isn't divided into "portions" -- that's for food -- but "sections".)
Second sentence: Is the "Composition" section for the composition, or the lyrics? "Rather cynical" - is that not POV? And "(as in The Thin Ice)" seems arbitrary. The rest of the songs on The Wall AREN'T cynical? If we're going to use "cynical", I should think it applies to the whole of the album. And I thought "lackluster" was really going too far with the POV. I don't even get it -- what's "lackluster" about these lyrics? How does this "lackluster" quality accentuate the plot? Are we saying it's a "lackluster" plot??
Third sentence: Seems to me, the whole song, including title, is a "protracted emotional plea". The "louder in tone" part is covered by what I wrote.
Fourth sentence: The musique concrete of the channel-switching TV should be mentioned in the article, but as part of the "Composition" section, or the "Plot" section? I mean to rewrite the whole article, if nobody else does it first, and if I do this will be mentioned. The song doesn't really finish with a "hysterical scream"; the contributor may have been thinking of the preceding song, "One Of My Turns".
Fifth sentence: True, but a mess. I should think the bit about Pink's wife cheating on him is (or should be) covered in the "Film" section.
"The music has a slow, haunting quality, culminating in a mournful guitar solo."
That is actually the very worst wannabe-rock-critic writing I have ever encountered in my 13 years on the Internet. And, it's strictly POV. That sentence provides none of what an encyclopaedia article is meant to provide. I notice that most of the articles on individual songs from The Wall have a good deal of this, and it all has a similar flavor. One might say, certain portions of these articles need to be axed.
I think all 26 articles need to be re-written, and will do so myself if it doesn't get done before I get to it.
So, for now, the above text is not in there. What isn't deletable POV or redundancy should and will be incorporated into the article soon.
--Ben Culture (talk) 10:06, 15 April 2012 (UTC) Updated: --Ben Culture (talk) 19:05, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, I think what I wrote at that time has held up pretty well, and I don't see anything particularly missing from the Composition section.
- One specific concern I have, regarding this section, is that I think the D and A chords of the second section are really minor-added-ninth chords, not suspended-second chords. One source says one thing, another says the other. So we basically have our choice, and my ear tells me it's Dm(add9) and Am(add9). (The minor-added-ninth chord is very much a Pink Floyd staple, beginning with "Paint Box" and most prominent in "Breathe".) Obviously, the piano part is playing sus2 arpeggios, but I hear the minor thirds in each chord (F and C, respectively), from some keyboard or rhythm guitar somewhere in the mix. Any disagreements? Any objections to a change?
- --Ben Culture (talk) 20:47, 6 December 2013 (UTC)