Talk:Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough/Archive 1

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Current Pic is Horrendous

The current pic being used for this page (DontStopTilYouGetEnoughMichaelJackson.jpg) is horrendous. Is there really not a better one out there. It's horribly shopped (the text in the background) and it's just generally a horrible pic of Michael. Please find a better option or simply have no pic. I think the second option would even be better than what's currently up... TheNad 20:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danman111111 (talkcontribs)

"You can't win" — Epic Records version

"You can't win" was re-recorded by Jackson for Epic Records as his single from the film The Wiz and was released as his first solo single for the label. This is, of course, courtesy of the Wikipedia page for the single "You can't win" by Michael Jackson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.187.108 (talk) 00:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Not too long ago I'm sure there was a song which sampled this Michael Jackson hit.

Anyone know what is called? Sorry if I sound racist but I am pretty sure it was sung by black people. -- Thorpe talk 11:59, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm looking for that remix too: Don't stop come oooooooooooon... great stuff! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.194.154.162 (talk) 09:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Robbie Williams cover

Was this song covered by Robbie?--In Defense of the Artist 20:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Don't Stop Til You Get Enough.jpg

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White Space

There's a note that is saving white space to keep the section under the picture, but it really depends on your browser and your screen size. Why is it "vital" that the section be under the photo, anyway? I think it should just be removed. --In Defense of the Artist 20:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale for Image:Dontstopvideo.jpg

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peak position in Denmark

According to the book Michael Jackson: The Solo Years, "Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough" peaked at #1 on the Danish singles charts. However, MJInf.com says it peaked at #2 in Denmark. Which source is correct, and is there another valid source stating which position it made it to in Denmark? --From Andoria with Love (talk) 21:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

"keep up" or "keep on"  ??

There is one Internet site that says about the lyrics: "The chorus contains one of the most misheard vocals ever. The line is: "Keep up with the force, don't stop. Don't stop 'til you get enough."" [[1]]. The hint can only be found on that site, as far as I see. So, where can we get a positive answer? Are the lyrics printed in the original "Off the wall"-Album? Anyway, as far as I see, it makes more sense, to say "Keep up with the force", than to say "keep on with the force"? The latter seems to me to make no real sense? It does not seem to be idiomatic? Or am I wrong? Of course, I am no native speaker. If it should come out that it has to say "Keep up with the force" I would suggest mentioning it in the article!!! --Bufi (talk) 07:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC) No answers here, but to tell you the truth: I think today, that the idea of the site I was quoting is rubbish, but it still took me some time to think about it!!!--Bufi (talk) 20:45, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Deadlink

There is a deadlink on the URL on Ref #6 (http://www.mjvisionary.com/mjvisionary.html); there are archived copies at web.archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.mjvisionary.com/mjvisionary.html), but they're all blank. That needs to be fixed. –MuZemike 22:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Fixed Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 15:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.


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Reviewer: Canadian Paul 03:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this article soon, most likely tomorrow. Canadian Paul 03:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, and here we go...

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Overall, a very nice article. Some comments:

  1. Your images should have alt text, per Wikipedia:Alternative text for images
    Whilst being a good idea, that is not a GA requirement. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 10:59, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I've added alt text to all the images in the article. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 11:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
  1. There are links in the article that go to redirects that need to be fixed. In the introduction and first two sections I found Grammy Awards, American Music Awards, Encino, Jehovah's Witness, Common time and Beats per minute. Please fix these and any others in the article either by using piped links, or reformatting.
    Redirects don't need to be fixed, in fact shouldn't be fixed, but disambigs (there is one Encino) should be. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 11:01, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I've fixed the Encino link. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 11:08, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I've corrected all of the links. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 15:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Actually, Jezhotwells is correct per WP:NOTBROKEN. Not a big fan of that page's logic in the bigger picture, but you can pass that guideline on to the next jerk like me who tells you to fix all the redirects. Canadian Paul 15:55, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
  1. Under "Composition" the sentence ""Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" has been described as having a "libidinous tone"" requires a direct citation as all direct quotations must be cited directly at the end of the quotation mark or the discussion/attribution for that quote. If possible, state who/an example of who described it as such as well... I mean, I could describe the song like that as well, but it wouldn't mean much. If Quincy Jones said it, however, then its relevance would be obvious.
Fixed. Crystal Clear x3 [talk]
  1. The entire "Live performances" section is unreferenced. Unless there's a guideline, policy, or precedent that I'm missing, the material here needs to be sourced.
  2. Same section: ""Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" was performed by Jackson during two of the The Jackson's concert tours." Is "the The Jackson's concert tours" really used? Seems like it would be more appropriate to have "two of The Jackson's..."
  3. Same section: "The second, and would be last performance of the song, was during The Jackson's fourth tour, entitled the Triumph Tour; they only toured in the United States and the tour began in July 1981, and finished in September of the same year." Aside from the fact that this should probably be split into two sentences because it doesn't flow very well, "The second, and would be last performance of the song, was..." needs fixing, as it doesn't make sense.
  4. Same section: "Jackson would have used a sample of "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" for the "Shake Your Body" performance in the This Is It concert series." There's something wrong here... either it's missing a "but... blah blah blah" at the end, or it should say "Jackson used a sample..."
I removed the "Live performances section". Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 11:33, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
  1. I noticed this particularly in "Cover versions" but the word "song" is used to the point of distraction in some places... it will help improve readability if you occasionally replace "song" with "track" or "hit" or something else.
Done. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 11:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
  1. Same section: The fact that Jackson died in June 2009 is mentioned in two consecutive sentences in the second paragraph, but it really only needs to be mentioned once.
Fixed. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 11:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
  1. Not a GA requirement, but I feel that the quote at the end of the article, while a good way to sign off, is a bit repetitive of the material in "Composition". My suggestion would be to trim it down a bit, but that's just my opinion.
  2. I noticed this reviewing my comments, but in every instance that I quoted it here, the song title in the body does not match the title of the song in the article title (re: the "T" in "'til/'Til"). Please correct this throughout the article.
Fixed. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 11:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Therefore, I'm putting the article on hold for one week to allow for these changes to be made. I'm always open to discussion on any of them items, so if you think I'm wrong on something leave your thoughts here and we'll discuss. I'll be checking this page at least daily, unless something comes up, so you can be sure I'll notice any comments left here. Canadian Paul 02:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I usually read the lead first and then rest of the article, but this time I did it backwards, then stupidly forgot to read the lead. Anyways, the lead should cover all of the major sections in the article, and right now it doesn't mention anything about the "Cover versions". Even one sentence to the effect of "it was covered by numerous musicians" is fine, but it needs to be there. Also, I wanted to say that usually I ask people to fix two-sentence paragraphs because they disrupt the flow, but I think the two-sentence paragraph in the lead actually works, so good job on that! So once this minor issue has been fixed, I think that this article is ready for GA! Canadian Paul 15:42, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for all of your comments; I've added mention of the song being covered by other artist's in the lead. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 16:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Everything looks good, so I will now be passing the article as a GA. Congratulations and thank you for all your hard work! Canadian Paul 16:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Crystal Clear x3 [talk]