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Including Nazi-level experiments using hypnosis, electric shocks, LSD, etc on 4-year-old children, amongst other things. (talk) 17:41, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


This has been split off from material referring to another doctor, who could not have been the same person referred to here. This article is remarkably light on facts: are there any cites to back this up? -- The Anome 07:42, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Anome is right[edit]

Errors: Ewen Cameron was the second president of the World Psychiatric Association, Jean Delay being the first in 1950. Check the source: WPA at

The article name has the subject's first name spelled incorrectly. It should be "Ewen". How do you change this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Move 7/2006[edit]

I have moved the page to the corrected name of the subject, and removed the (MKULTRA) from the title as well. The other subject that The Anome is referring to is Ewan Cameron, who has different birth/death dates and a markedly different profession. Please note that there may be something of a mess here due to the large number of dab pages and redirects. The subject of this article is tangentially related to the kidnapping death of William Francis Buckley. I'm not making a stand on any of the content, just moving per request of the above anon user and the article content itself. ... aa:talk 22:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Interesting Article worth preserving[edit]


From The Sunday TimesOctober 17, 2004

Brainwash victims win cash claims

Karin Goodwin HUNDREDS of mentally ill patients who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments by a Scottish doctor could be entitled to compensation following a landmark court ruling. Doctor Ewan Cameron, who became one of the world’s leading psychiatrists, developed techniques used by Nazi scientists to wipe out the existing personalities of people in his care.

Cameron, who graduated from Glasgow University, was recruited by the CIA during the cold war while working at McGill University in Montreal, Canada.

He carried out mind-control experiments using drugs such as LSD on hundreds of patients, but only 77 of them were awarded compensation.

Now a landmark ruling by a Federal Court judge in Montreal will allow more than 250 former patients, whose claims were rejected, to seek compensation.

Gail Kastner, who underwent electroshock treatment at a Montreal psychiatric institute in 1953, and whose claim was rejected 10 years ago, successfully appealed the judgment.

Last week, Alan Stein, of Montreal law firm Stein and Stein, which represented Kastner, confirmed he was in the process of contacting former clients who could now renew their appeal.

“There are about 200 people still due compensation,” he said. “This judgment should send out strong signals to the Canadian government. Those who have previously missed out should have a strong case for appealing.”

Using techniques similar to those portrayed in the celebrated novel the Manchurian Candidate, it was believed that people could be brainwashed and reprogrammed to carry out specific acts.

Cameron developed a range of depatterning “treatments” while director of the Allan Memorial Institute at McGill University.

Patients were woken from drug-induced stupors two or three times a day for multiple electric shocks. In a specially designed “sleep room” made famous by Anne Collins’s book of the same name, Cameron placed a speaker under the patient’s pillow and relayed negative messages for 16 hours a day.

Kastner was a 19-year-old honours student suffering from mild depression when she first underwent “treatment” in 1953. On returning home she sucked her thumb, demanded to be fed from a bottle, talked in a baby voice and urinated on the floor.

She was ostracised by her affluent family, who were unable to cope with her changed state, and her marriage in 1955 quickly broke down due to her difficulties.

Cameron, who was born in Bridge of Allan in 1901, rose to become the first president of the World Psychiatric Association.

It took two decades and the persistence of Joseph Rauh, the distinguished American civil liberties lawyer, to uncover what happened and secure compensation for some of Cameron’s victims.

Bill (Feb 10, 2007) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 20:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Canadian psychiatric association?[edit]

What is the name of the "Canadian psychiatric association" that Cameron was supposed to have been president of? There isn't a Canadian Psychiatric Association, only a Canadian Psychological Association. Maikel 13:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Freemason - so what?[edit]

I removed the following line:

"Cameron is claimed to have been a freemason although this has not been proven."

Is claimed to have been a freemason???!!! What's that? Stick to facts instead of conspiracy theories.

Joe_hill 2007-10-11 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe hill (talkcontribs) 05:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

reference to Naomi Klein's book[edit]

The Shock Doctrine , Naomi Klein, A. Knopf, 2007 removed as it has nothing to do with the topic of this article.

Proximity1 (talk) 15:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

The book is highly relevant as Naomi Klein writes in detail about Cameron's experiments. I take the liberty to undo the changes. --Globben (talk) 08:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Naomi Klein states in his book that Dr Cameron's research and his contribution to the MKUltra project was actually not about mind control and brainwashing, but about "to design a scientifically based system for extracting information from "resistant sources." In other words, torture." ([1]), and citing a book from Alfred W. McCoy it further says that "Stripped of its bizarre excesses, Dr. Cameron's experiments, building upon Dr. Hebb's earlier breakthrough, laid the scientific foundation for the CIA's two-stage psychological torture method." ([2], citing [3]). I'm not very familiar with editing Wikipedia, but I think somebody with the proper knowledge should include into the article these claims, which seem highly relevant to the subject.Froy1100 (talk) 19:20, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Naomi Klein is a woman and a pop author. She certainly is not any of kind an authority on MK-Ultra or the CIA. Hence her name nor her books title should not be in this article. WIkipedia is not supposed to be used for such shameless promotions. (talk) 17:45, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm guessing you accept only the CIA (itself) or MK-Ultra 'contributors' as authorities on MK-Ultra or the CIA.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:16, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Wait, being a woman discredits her research?
What exactly do you suggest as an argument for her supposedly not being an authority? Libel is more shameless than promoting the truth.

K-Billy (talk) 12:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I say a reference is fine. Nothing much, but send the reader back to the Naomi Klein page. For that matter, one can see an extensive write-up on the Helter Skelter page about Charles Manson and his utter misinterpretation of that song. There is a lot of wiggle room here, but I say err on the side of keeping stuff on its own page. COYW (talk) 07:10, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Bridge of Allan[edit]

Place of birth is listed as "Bridge of Allan", which was in Stirlingshire at his birth, now in Stirling district, however the article says Perthshire. This appears to have been lifted from his obituary. I would normally just edit this inaccuracy, however I think there may some confusion as there is a "Bridge of Earn" in Perthshire, so he may have been born there rather than Bridge of Allan? Other references on the Web seem say Bridge of Allan. Anyone know of a more reliable source? Benson85 (talk) 15:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm the one who copied in "Bridge of Allan, Perthshire" from the obituary in the BMJ. I know nothing about that region of the UK so feel free to change it. --❨Ṩtruthious andersnatch❩ 21:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


Yeah, I've reverted. Introducing a massive wall of text without any references isn't a good way to write an article. It looked like it might have been a copy-paste job to, making it a potentially copyright violation. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 01:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

That was WAY more than a revert -- suspicion that it "looks like" a "copy-paste job" isn't a valid reason to erase over half of an article...simple ≠ vacant. (talk) 18:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the IP address there... you should go to alot more effort to verify that it's copy-pasted before destroying such an enormous amount of material. If the contributor really did write all of that you have ruined a huge amount of someone else's work. --❨Ṩtruthious andersnatch❩ 19:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree with WLU on this one. It's an obvious cut-and-paste job: it includes numerical references numbered over 100, but this article has only about 10 references! On top of that, it's really bad text that seems to ramble on about things at best tangentially related to the subject of the article. IMHO, the article should be reverted. -- tooki (talk) 15:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
This edit was reinserted then by an user bloked due evident vandalism. The version was deleted due possible plagiarism concerns. The edit is full of unverified "facts" as it is tagged, and it seems to be an apologetic cleanwhashing of the subject. The subject is well known and has ecnyclopedic relevance due its infamous participation on MK-ULTRA, experiemnts against patients, etc. Note there is an undue weight given to its alleged work on nazism and its personal career. I had to revert it, since it was reinserted by the user even passing over these concerns on the talk page. -- ClaudioSantos¿? 18:36, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Faked death?[edit]

Dr. Bill Deagle, well-known lecturer and talk show host, states in a 2006 lecture to the Granada Forum that he went to medical school between 1973 and 1977, and in 1975 his psychiatry professor decided to have a special guest show up and that this was Ewen Cameron. (Source: Dr. Deagle PT 1 of 4 time 01:34:50). __meco (talk) 11:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

  1. ^ Klein, N., "The Shock Doctrine", p. 39
  2. ^ Klein, N., "The Shock Doctrine", p. 41
  3. ^ McCoy, A.W., "Cruel Science", p. 220