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Indonesian[edit]

I ran across this rather odd statement:

Hickman had previously preached as a Mormon missionary in Java for two years, and uses Indonesian in Dragonlance spells.

Naively, one might read this to mean that one must learn Indonesian in order to cast the spells. Is it instead is a reference to the spell names within the rulesbook?—RJH (talk) 23:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It's a reference to the fact that the words used in the spells incorporate elements of the Indonesian language, I believe. Doniago (talk) 01:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
A look at the original source should clear that up. 24.148.0.83 (talk) 01:25, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Confusing Section[edit]

I have edited the area that was marked as confusing to make it sound better. It is the "Characters" section. Any objections to the way I edited it? If not, I'll remove the "Confusing Paragraph" marker in a few days.Vyselink (talk) 12:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I think it makes a lot more sense now, and it's neat to read the full quote! 129.33.19.254 (talk) 14:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Merger with Creation (Dragonlance)[edit]

The creation of Krynn is not a sufficiently notable concept for an article on the subject to stand on its own. As such, Creation (Dragonlance) should be merged here. Neelix (talk) 21:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree. That entire article is written from an in-universe perspective, with zero real world context, and it's been tagged as such for three and a half years. That detailed history could definitely be merged into the history portion of this article. Torchiest talkedits 14:54, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
So far, when Neelix has done a "merge", it has been more like a redirect. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 15:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
And this case would likely be no different; the Creation (Dragonlance) article is rampant with original research tags and no statements are directly sourced. If information about the creation of Krynn is going to be added to the Dragonlance article, it would be safer to find new information to add than to select a statement from the Creation (Dragonlance) article and hope it's accurate. Neelix (talk) 20:43, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
If we knew who had added the sources, we could get them to help source individual statements from the two sources already listed. Torchiest talkedits 20:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
That was a while ago: [1] and [2]. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 22:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Comics[edit]

Needs at least some sort of coverage of the Dragonlance comics published by DC, or at least a mention.76.226.202.223 (talk) 02:10, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree! 99.126.204.164 (talk) 02:40, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

We should go ahead with a merge on this one. Web Warlock (talk) 16:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

On which one? 129.33.19.254 (talk) 16:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
still looking for a good place. Web Warlock (talk) 16:57, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Timeline Inconsistencies[edit]

I noticed while reading this that there was at least one glaring inconsistency regarding the development of the setting. Specifically, the article states TSR created Dragonlance as a campaign setting for the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (AD&D) roleplaying game in 1982. They published the first sourcebook, Dragonlance Adventures, in 1987. Am I mistaken in thinking this is wrong? Should it be reworded? Just a thought. Voraxith (talk) 18:33, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I see what you are saying. Reading the rest of the article will shine a light on that for clarity. The Hickmans devised the Dragonlance setting in 1982 when Tracy was hired by TSR, and TSR went ahead with getting Tracy and Margaret Weis to work on writing. The first novel and the first adventure module were finally released in 1984. I'm guessing that there were no actual RPG materials for Dragonlance other than the adventures at first? That would mean that the 1987 Dragonlance Aventures book was indeed the first Dragonlance RPG sourcebook. BOZ (talk) 18:59, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Maybe it would be better worded like such "TSR created the Dragonlance campaign concept (or some other similar word) in 1982, with the first sourcebook, Dragonlance Adventures, being published in 1987" or something like that? Vyselink (talk) 19:27, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

bad linking?[edit]

the Characters section has a link for Heroes of the Lance, but this redirects to a video game, rather than anything that explains who the heroes are. and I do not think that a video game is one of the characters of the setting. Maybe it should link to the characters page, but it is alphabetical and really doesnt have a list of the heroes. maybe the character list page could include those heroes at the front to give at least the protagonists names and then people can see them in the alphabetical list rather than having to see the list on the video game page? shadzar-talk 05:49, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Ask Hahnchen, as that is the user who redirected it to the video game. 2601:D:9400:3CD:CCA3:BBBD:46FE:DF58 (talk) 18:15, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Search for Heroes of the Lance on Google. Top hits are for the game, which is a notable subject in its own right, with a standalone article. Whereas the List of Dragonlance characters article is in-universe fan service, which even if it were arranged so that Heroes of the Lance were not a 2 line stub, would still be unsuited as an encyclopedia article. - hahnchen 18:49, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
The lead has been edited to link directly to List of Dragonlance characters#Heroes of the Lance, it's the second time in that paragraph that we link to the same article though, it's probably unnecessary. - hahnchen 18:52, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
probably not needed to link twice in one section, but having a link in a section about "characters" to a video game is misleading. your attitude and the fact that Google has the video game as its "top hit" for the phrase in now way means that it should be the only thing ever linked to because of popularity when such a phrase is used. you should always link to something based on the context it is being used in. if linking to the video games is needed, then maybe a section for them is in order for the Dragonlance article. maybe if someone expanding the group section on the list of characters page to name who belongs to the group and then link to that section via the characters if a link from this article to it is needed. it could only improve the list article itself by not having to go to the video game to find out who that group mentioned actually is. whether it needs to be linked is entirely up to all of you still working on the project. it just didnt feel right linking to the video game form the Characters section is all i was saying. shadzar-talk 11:26, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Genesis LPMud[edit]

Krynn/Ansalon is used as one of the domains in the Genesis LPMud game. I think that is a fitting example of how Dragonlance has spread outside D&D, and therefore should be put in the Media section to other video games based on Krynn. User:Doniago has demanded secondary sources to prove the significance of that. I think it would be nice to have secondary sources (Maloni, Kelly; Baker, Derek; Wice, Nathaniel (1994). Net Games. Random House / Michael Wolff & Company, Inc. ISBN 0-679-75592-6 might have something to say about that, but I do not have access to that), but in my opinion it is still within the limits of Wikipedia:"In popular culture" content with the Genesis LPMud as a source only, because 1) that homepage verifies the statement and 2) Krynn/Ansalon is a "prominent setting" in the Genesis LPMud game, it is not a "passing mention". Any thoughts on that?
Of course if anyone could check Net Games, that might bring us forward a lot here without discussion. Daranios (talk) 20:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Hrm. I have concerns that Genesis itself isn't a notable game; I looked at the linked article and a number of the sources are the MUD itself. I don't really want to go combing through it, but I think the best solution, as noted, would be an independent source that noted the fact that Ansalon appears in the game, whether it's Net Games or a different one. DonIago (talk) 03:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with List of Dragonlance modules and sourcebooks[edit]

If these modules cannot be sourced to reliable, secondary sources, then this content should be abridged and added to the main article, or otherwise removed altogether. czar 21:08, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

  • The page is a full listing with references, and seems fine as a stand alone page. Randy Kryn 00:28 1 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Agreed. No need for the merge. And with no support after seven months, I'm removing the tag. oknazevad (talk) 12:25, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

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Date of shift to Age of Mortals[edit]

The end of the first section of the page includes the following:

"Since February 2009, the fifth age, the Age of Mortals, has been used."

I believe that date is incorrect - both the Sovereign Press products and before that the Saga System were set in the Age of Mortals (for evidence, see the publication date of https://www.amazon.com/Age-Mortals-Dragonlance-Campaign-Companion/dp/1931567107 and the publication date and Setting section of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonlance:_Fifth_Age).

Thanks,

Wanderer792 (talk) 06:11, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

It's probably out of date, too. Any sourced information you can provide would be helpful. 73.168.15.161 (talk) 12:14, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll see what I can come up with. Wanderer792 (talk) 00:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC)