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This page seems like it was pretty wrongfully deleted by User:JamesBWatson. There was lots of good content on the old page, and Hampton is obviously a notable writer, having been the editor of a major magazines, been published many times, and co-written several memoirs of notable people. There's a cache of the original article here, which I've brought some of the content back from, but there's more work to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epukinsk (talk • contribs)

Notability & references

This entry doesn't indicate how the subject meets Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines, which (generally) require

significant coverage (not passing mentions)
of (not by) the subject
in reliable sources
that are independent of the subject.

After a good faith search, I was unable to find any sources that meet those criteria, so I have tagged the article for notability. ^Bongo_matic 03:20, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is absolutely absurd. The was the editor of the most important hip hop magazine in existence. She's been a regular contribute to dozens of top shelf print publications. She's been published in several important anthologies, and co-wrote one of the most important memoirs of this year. But the biggest issue here is that because of the racism endemic in the publishing world, black historians and journalists are systematically denied access to what you consider "reliable" sources. So all of the interviews with her you will dismiss as "just blogs", while white folks of absolutely no consequence get regular writeups in Newsweek. That said, I think I can fight this on your terms. She's notable enough, even by your racist standards, to pass your test. Epukinsk (talk) 06:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interviews even in reliable sources aren't the best way to establish notability. Articles about people, by other people are the normal way to do so. It is often difficult to find that sort of coverage for journalists—even editors of significant magazines (note that there aren't article on the editors of Esquire, New York, Road & Track—I'm not opining on whether there are sufficient sources for those individuals to establish notability). I reviewed each of the links in the current version of the article—could you please identify here any that provide significant coverage of the subject? ^Bongo_matic 07:42, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are many, many small mentions "of" the subject. Noting her briefly as an important journalist or cultural critic. I've cited those. She's also widely cited in the literature in her field. That alone is enough for a scholar, which she is. In addition, she has more in depth coverage in Ebony and The Root, which are cited in the article. Regardless, having biographies published is not the only path to notability. I argue that she is notable under the requirements for creative professionals below. Epukinsk (talk) 07:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

matic, can you please also explain why you tagged the article as needing citations? I was extremely careful not to include anything that wasn't verified by a reliable outside source. The article has 24 references. Can you please offer some more specific critique than "needs additional citations or verification"? Epukinsk (talk) 08:32, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Case for Hampton's Notability

She should also be considered notable as a "creative professional" for any number of reasons (see Wikipedia:ANYBIO#Creative_professionals): Epukinsk (talk) 07:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By cowriting Decoded she is certainly "co-creating, a significant or well-known work that has been the subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews"... it has been written up in The New Yorker, The New York Times, and dozens of other publications.
As a cultural critic, she is cited frequently. I have a few citations in the article, but she has 807 hits in Google Books.
Her films have "been a substantial part of a significant exhibition". Sundance Film Festival and Lincoln Center certainly qualify as significant exhibitions.

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