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Refine definition[edit]

As MaximRecoil has pointed out on Talk:Ethanol, alcohol may qualify as a food since it has considerable caloric value. Reliable sources also call it drug. This conflicts with our definition of "drug" here. Do reliable sources have a more general definition of "drug" that do not necessarily exclude foods? Sizeofint (talk) 02:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Anyone have thoughts on this matter. Sizeofint (talk) 00:30, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
The calories in alcohol are said to be empty calories having no nutritional value. Alcohol may contain various trace minerals and vitamins but not enough to classify as nutritional (all accord to common searches) and so not really to be classed as a food. There is no doubt mentioned anywhere of its status as a drug. Also simply in terms of any food value - many entheogens are sourced from foods that would have far more nutritional value but are still classed according to their drug properties.--Iztwoz (talk) 08:50, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't doubt that it is a drug and the argument about nutritional value is what I gave to MaximRecoil. MaximRecoil does refer to this paper [1] which calls alcohol a macronutrient though. Also our empty calorie article calls ethanol a food in the body. Sizeofint (talk) 09:24, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
This paper refers to alcohol as an inessential food [2] so imo does not warrant the use of it as a food as defined by the entry page. Also I don't see the that it conflicts with the definition used here - its stated that ...any substance...consumed - doesn't that cover it?--Iztwoz (talk) 11:42, 18 December 2016 (UTC) Sorry I just read the definition here....--Iztwoz (talk) 11:43, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

The definition seems overbroad, because most things cause physiological changes in the body when consumed. Eating bread, for example, triggers a sequence of responses in the body which result in insulin being produced. Drinking more than a couple of litres of water within a few minutes causes quite large physiological changes, which can result in serious harm or even death. Sayitclearly (talk) 07:10, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I believe this is why the definition specifically exempts food. Sizeofint (talk) 17:40, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

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Meaningless Definition?[edit]

Everything we encounter interacts with our physiology. It all causes some sort of physiological change. What by the listed definition is not a drug? If the definition includes everything, is it not meaningless? Chompy2357 (talk) 22:06, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Chompy2357, The definition of a drug is infamously nebulous. Our definition excludes foods and substances that are relatively inert when interacted with bodily. I think could use some refinement, however: the current definition doesn't seem to exclude air for example. Do you have a source with a better definition in mind? Sizeofint (talk) 23:54, 14 October 2017 (UTC)