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The coat of arms shown has a viscount's coronet. Is that because all the higher titles are Irish? —Tamfang 02:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm teach me to run this with gfx disabled. It is possible that the Duke sought a(n) (English) grant of arms as he may never have had any previous grant. The Irish titles existing before grants were normal so likely assumed some time around the original titles. However I can't find anything to say so. Would be very interesting to know if Garter would only grant Arms according to English titles and Ulster Irish etc [This] suggests that the form we expect exists but under what grant.Alci12 20:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I have lots of research on these specific (1st & 2nd creation) ancestries. (Genealogies; Coronets; ribbons; lozenge; arms, & etc), although it may take me some time, I can re-create genealogical trees of most of the (1st creation) descendants/ancestors, if required &/or requested??? Stephen2nd (talk) 11:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)