Talk:Eötvös Loránd University

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I think the redirection should work the other way: after all, the official English name of the university is "Eötvös Loránd University," not "University of Budapest" (There are a few other universities in Budapest, too.) The former is given on its own website as well. -- Or is there any Wikipedian rule or convention that universities should always be named after their location? --Adam78 18:56, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)

For reasons of simplicity and also for reasons of language difficulties with native languages (typing, reading, understanding) in the English Wikipedia, universities are often - though not always - put under "University of X". A compromise would be "Eötvös Loránd University of Budapest". I mean, very few have heard of a Eötvös Loránd University, but Budapest instantly rings a bell. I would leave it at University at Budapest though, and perhaps mention other universities in Budapest inside the article on an extra heading or even on a disambiguation page. You decide ;-). Sky 19:07, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I don't think this is the way to go here. Searching for "University of Budapest" on Google actually lists a different university (BME) first; ELTE is only the second hit. I'm naturally biased towards ELTE, being that it is my university, and yet I fail to see why the "University of Budapest" entry should refer to it. Also, I attended ELTE for 7 years, majoring in English and American studies for 3 of those, and not once have I heard it referred to as "University of Budapest".
I think "University of Budapest" should either be a disambig page, or (preferably) redirect to List of universities in Hungary. And this page should be moved to Eötvös Loránd University. Opinions? Ashenai 10:11, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Agree: 'University of Budapest' should go.Koczy 15:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
As agreed, I moved the information on ELTE to Eötvös Loránd University - the official English name of the institution. Kuteni 12:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Timea Vagvoelgyi is nowhere near as notable as the other ex-students listed. She simply doesn't belong. A list of all the two-bit porn actresses who once attended ELTE would be huge; Budapest's (debatable) status as the porn capital of Europe, together with the fact that Hungary is a fairly poor country, means that women going into pornography to pay for college is not that uncommon. Ashenai 10:35, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Faculty[edit]

There is no way that a university of 30,000 has faculty of 8 people. Something got messed up here. I'll correct it to a question mark until someone finds out about it for sure. (Eddie 17:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC))

The thing which is messed up here is perhaps that you interpret the "faculty" differently than others. To my understanding, it doesn't refer to people but to the main "departments" of the university. Of course, each such "department" consists of several institutes, which contains the individual majors and minors. So the hierarchy is, to my best knowledge: university > faculties > institutes > majors and minors. So if we take this meaning of "faculty", it's easily possible for a big university to have 8 faculties. Adam78 00:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

See also the article Faculty (university) for more explanation. Adam78 00:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

If we have a big university it might belong to a university system so that would be the highest level of hierarchy. But since the University of Budapest does not have that, it's out of question. What you call faculty is, in fact, divisions of the university and it should be named such. The word faculty mostly refers to instructors who teach classes at the college. So if the University of Budapest has 8 division "colleges", it should be named number of divisions or something like that instead of faculty. I am a native speaker of English and it causes confusion to my understanding. I will change faculty to divisions to clearify the meaning. Regards, (Eddie 17:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC))
  • I suppose that the article Faculty (university) has been viewed (or even written) by native speakers of English and they approved the meaning which I mentioned. Its first sentence is A faculty is a division within a university.
  • The template doesn't have any such gap as "division" or "divisions", these simply don't take effect: you can see that the number 8 is missing from your version of the infobox.
  • Look at the article University of Oxford (for example), which has the following sentence: Oxford is a collegiate university, consisting of the University's central facilities, such as departments and faculties, libraries and science facilities, and 39 colleges and 7 Permanent Private Halls (PPHs). Note the phrase "departments and faculties". You can see from the context that "faculty" can't refer to instructors.
  • A random quote from University of Cambridge: King Henry VIII ordered the university to disband its Faculty of Canon Law and to stop teaching “scholastic philosophy”. "Faculty" cannot mean "instructor" here, either.

So "faculty" in the meaning of "division" seems to be correct; it's just Commonwealth usage. Adam78 20:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

However you want it Adam. I still believe it is confusing, but it must make sense to some other people on the other side of the world. (Eddie 22:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC))

I am sorry: I've looked up the Template talk:Infobox University and it writes "faculty" is defined to mean here "(number of faculty members (used for North American universities))". I must also admit that it's against what the faculty (university) link suggests, describing "faculty" as "division" in the first sentence. Anyway, if "faculty" is defined in this template as above, and since there is no parameter for the number of divisions, I think we should leave out the number 8 altogether until a parameter for division is created. Adam78 23:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. (Eddie 14:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC))

Rename[edit]

The contents of this page has been taken over from University of Budapest. There was a consensus on the talk page that this would be better; even the institution's own page calls itself "Eötvös Loránd University". - Kuteni 12:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from moving a page by cut-and-pasting. Wikipedia has another procedure for moving pages. Look at Help:Renaming (moving) a page: you need to use the move tab. Cut and paste moves don't take the edit history with them and thus violate the GDFL copyright terms. I have requested page histories to be merged per WP:SPLICE. --Kusunose 13:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for posting the request for me. Kuteni 14:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, the history merge from University of Budapest is now complete. I've also merged the talk page histories so that the whole discussion can be found here. Cool Hand Luke 20:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Let me note that "University of Budapest" (Budapesti Tudományegyetem) as a proper name specifically refers to this university, rather than any other one in Budapest. This is the name under which it is mentioned, for example, in the biographies of the famous Hungarian scientists (John Neumann etc.) who attended this university in the early 20th century. Adam78 22:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

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A question about Latin as the language of instruction[edit]

The German Wikipedia site about the chemist Theodor Wertheim says that in 1860 he had to leave Hungary since beginning 1860 all lectures at the University of Pest (i.e., the eastern part of what is now Budapest) had to be given in Latin. Neither this site, nor the Hungarian Wikipedia site mentions that the language of instruction was changed to Latin in 1860. Presumably until 1860 he lectured in German, since I don't think he spoke Hungarian, though I don't know. Mateat (talk) 22:09, 17 July 2011 (UTC)