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- 1 Old talk
- 2 Capitalization
- 3 Order of formats section?
- 4 OPF
- 5 On the New Section
- 6 eBook, ebook, or e-book?
It would be very helpful if some websites which offer free ebooks are enlisted. For example there are the following sites : www.symbianx.com and www.memoware.com
It would be helpful to restore the link to the TeleRead e-book news page at http://www.teleread.org/blog. In the Google e-books directory at http://www.google.com/Top/Computers/E-Books/, we're the second-ranked site. I'm TeleRead's main contributor, and our others range from Roger Sperberg (a former Random House production guy as well as an author) to Sadi Ranson-Polizzotti (a former Godine editor who edited Leslie Fiedler, the great literary critic) to Jon Noring (the leading advocate of an open e-book format). We've been Slashdotted and are regarded by many as their main source of e-book news and views, especially on standards issues. In the Yale Law Meme, in fact, we've been called at the comprehensive source for information regarding ebooks" (see URL below). Does anyone have a problem with restoration of the link, and if so, why? I'm a little baffled how TeleRead could vanish but "Parody of the long sales letters often used to sell e-books" could remain. Hello, Bogdangiusca? What do you think? If no one objects, I'll restore the link myself. Feedback? Thanks. David Rothman - email@example.com - 703-370-6540.
- Hi David,
- The link may have been deleted because someone considered it a spam link. I'm not really up on exactly how people determine what is a spam link and what isn't... maybe someone else here could enlighten us... but that is likely why it disappeared in the first place. Hbackman 17:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
- I appreciated the explanation, Hbackman.
- Do you think it would be okay if I restored the link on Monday, assuming no one had a problem? That would give people time to object and specify reasons. BTW, I neglected to mention that TeleRead has been linked to from the New York Times, National Public Radio, Wired, etc., at one time or another.
- Thanks again. David Rothman, 11 January 2006
This page needs a lot of work. I've made a start, correcting some errors and removing some POV, but ... needs more work. I've started a division into logical sections, which now need beefing up with more content. The history of devices is worth expansion, and much more can be said about commercial ventures. I'd also like to see some links to free archives. Pamplemousse 21:30, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Should discuss criticism and limitations (or perceived limitations) of e-books. --Daniel C. Boyer 21:05, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
i am of the strong opinion that a well-designed reader-program can turn a raw e-text into an electronic-book by, for instance, discerning the structure underlying the e-text and using it to provide book-like features such as a table of contents and chapter-headings that are big and bold, or, to give another example, turning end-notes into two-way hyperlinks to their referents in the text. i currently have such a program under development, as i am of the firm belief that the proof is in the pudding. -- firstname.lastname@example.org
- This is certainly possible -- up to a point. I've been using and refining a set of perl scripts to do this since 1997. But you can only go so far, because if there's nothing in the original etext to identify one part from another, then you can't distinguish them by program, you have to do it manually. E.g. if a chapter heading looks like "CHAPTER XIV" then its easy, but if it looks like "Monty goes to town.", i.e. just like a regular paragraph, then you're program can't identify it as a chapter heading. But good luck with the program! Pamplemousse 07:15, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
the idea that "there's nothing in the original e-text to identify one part from another" is one that i challenge. there are indeed ways you can discern chapter-headings and other types of section-breaks, if you look closely enough. my program might surprise you in how well it _can_ identify chapter-headings. :+)
Mention should probably be made of the Baen Free Library at  where Baen are making copies of a number of books available, for free, in about a half-dozen different formats. Perhaps a mention of their CD-ROM project also, in that several of their latest books contain a CD-ROM with the author's complete back-catalogue in digital form, plus various of their collaborators. War of Honor by David Weber was the first of these and it contains the whole Honor Harrington series. Best of all is the enjoinder, printed on the actual CD-ROM, to share the contents freely. Phil 10:02, Nov 27, 2003 (UTC) --- some more links that could be usefull to add to this page: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/search.html and http://www.gutenberg.org/ 184.108.40.206 06:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- (Redirected from EBook)
- The correct title of this article is eBook. The initial capital letter is due to technical restrictions.
- An ebook...
- <Links to articles that contain "e-book" in the title.>
Something doesn't seem right. --220.127.116.11 00:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Order of formats section?
Is there a meaningful order to the list of formats? If there is, please state so in the paragraph preceding the list. If not, there should be. Alphabetical? Popularity?
Has anyone even heard of OPF Flipbook before? Why isn't there a link?
On the New Section
Overriding Your Bot
I was crosschecking links for the Grantville Gazette eMagazines which are later released both as cannonical ebooks and later published works in the SF 1632 series , when I noted your Bot is constantly making the same edit in the ebook article. I'm rearranging the commonly pasted spam line, as the reference is certainly correctly placed in this article under the eBook Devices heading... which is where your Bot is killing the reference. I'd keep it on patrol however, as the spam form is certainly marketing POV hype.
On your last (Answer seeking clarification), I'm in the middle of a full article section add on the subject article ebooks (1st preview since your post). I infact, haven't picked up the sony related marketing phrase I was going to add, so since you aren't a Bot, I'll just leave you with the advice intended: what I saw deleted in the history, looks to be something that should be kept under devices, albeit massaged so that it is not marketing hype.
- Unless, of course, in my humble ignorance of devices it has already been so disposed of. I would have cross checked before finishing the main business at hand.
- Give me a few more minutes to finish up (I'm slowish), and if you accept email, I'll alert you both ways that I'm clear. Then you can vet my edit and perhaps give me some advice on related matters. I prefer the email for these little notifications as I get an audible beep which doesn't require backing up to the last preview or 'Yet another' Wiki browser window to service (At the moment, I sit with 15 such on my taskbar, so not opening another helps keep them straight, for which, I need all the help I can get!)
- Apparently you aren't accepting email. I've duly registered mine, and it's listed on my talk top.
- Thanks, Best Regards FrankB 21:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Fabartus. I have to admit to not knowing what you're talking about. I have made four edits to the eBook article - I have removed links to two different bookshops, and a product review page - twice. Since you mentioned constant edits, I presume you're talking about the product review article, which is plastered in (in my view) an objectionable amount of advertising, and contains content which could easily fit into the encyclopaedia. My motivation would have been this string of edits, and the guidelines at WP:EL. Perhaps you could clarify your message in light of me not being a bot. Thanks. -- Linkspamremover 20:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'm out. Had some trouble locating links. If you're an admin, please speedy move eMagazines to eMagazine (singular), which will tidy up three of the redlinks. I'll section edit to clear the rest once I get a few other windows closed.
- What do you think - I thought the Baen approach noteworthy, but didn't think it belongs higher as it contrasts this way with the preceding discussions of the termoils, whereas this way, it doesn't directly collide with them. There are rumbles that Baen's footsteps are being followed by some of the rest of that genre's publishers. So, this is perhaps the new standard as well. Time will tell! <G>
- OK, I see what you have done. You appear to have a much greater interest in this subject than me, and I'm sure your edits were in good faith. My main concern is to stop Wikipedia being abused by spammers, and that clearly doesn't apply to you. I'm a little concerned about the links which appear to link straight to books for sale, but I have only had a quick look (in passing noticing something about free books), and will review the links again later after other editors have reviewed the changes, and I have had a chance to read the article and understand the context of this publisher you seem keen to mention (and I'm sure you'll say they're very important - and I'm sure they are). Right now I have other fish to fry. I'd just ask you to keep the external links to a minimum, and if you see any spam links in any articles you are editing to remove them per these guidelines. I suggest if you want feedback on the article you post something on the article's talk page. rgds. -- Linkspamremover 10:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
- I see I'm not the only one confused as to whether you are a Bot! Doing something on the user page seems a good thought. I'm taking the day off from the computer and wiki, so I'll look at your last in detail tomarow some time. I just printed the guideline you referenced. I'm a little off my normal patrol in my current WikiAtivity (Center of Focus), but that's as it was most neglected. I need to get a thankyou (why I'm here at all) email off, and go back to my rest. ttfn I'll get back on the rest after me rest! FrankB 00:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Good Day - The below (h/h talk with others confusing h/h as BOT) looks like you've been busy. After checking through your second post, I agree, see what the edit consensus says.
Regarding this: and I have had a chance to read the article and understand the context of this publisher you seem keen to mention (and I'm sure you'll say they're very important - and I'm sure they are).,
- I think characterizing them as very important ... would be a bit histronic and more than a smidge unprofessional. I deem them an interesting (and perhaps eventually historic) counter-point (contrast) to much of the article which deals with the measures publishers and manufacturers are trying to protect their intellectual copyrights.
- Whereas this publisher has found gold in the opposite approach —it increases sales, not looses them to piracy—when the early works are offered free. I can steer you to some webpages making this assertion, but the proof is in following the dollar trail—this publisher is back-converting all his titles, as well as pre-releasing galleys before the books proper hit the wharehouses. Just count the titles in the Baen Free Library! So noteworthy, I think. But this isn't my article in the normal sense. It just seemed like a good add.
- Sorry I misread your involvement level in the article. At a glance, you seemed to be editing it often, so the courtesy of the notification opening this. I think I'll cut the threads onto the talk, as that seems to be a good way to have others think on the contrast in 'automatic mode'.
I'd like to add in escaping to my normal patrol, that the section should certainly be evolved going forward as other Publishers mimic this behavior. Buzz rumors (email, iirc) have TOR, Ballantine, and Ace either implimenting similar schemes, or taking steps in the same direction. I believe all three have substansial titles in non-SF genres. If I get some time, I'll see what I can track down to corroborate such allegations. FrankB 18:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- Upon archiving, The below two sections moved back to main talk, hence the strikeouts
Moved Now the discussion can commence on whether it should be renamed to "Electronic book"... Five years from now people are going to be laughing at renaming everything just because it is "online", and sentences like "They surveyed the field of eBook eFormats available, and decided to ePublish their eMagazine". Translated into an intelligent sentence, this simply means "They surveyed the field of electronic-book formats and decided to publish their magazine online."-- Centrx 20:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)