Talk:Early social changes under Islam

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NPOV in status of women section[edit]

Currently it makes it seem like there is a consensus that the adoption of Islam improved women's status. According to, there is healthy scholarly debate about whether the changes were good for women. This is also now a problem in the Women and Islam article, which I believe was previously more balanced. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Please be bold and improve the article, but also please note that we are only discussing the impact of Islam on the women within the early years of Islam. That is, we are not dealing with the later "interpretation of jurists, local traditions, and social trends which brought about a decline in the status of Muslim women." Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 22:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


It's much better to change the title to "Early social changes under Islam". Alefbe (talk) 01:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

First welfare state[edit]

This says that the early Islamic imperium was the first welfare state. Was not the Maurya Rajavamsa of Bharata under Asoka a welfare state? (talk) 16:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Misuse of sources[edit]

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Johnuniq (talk) 09:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Removed these parts. Added a tag as the article lacks a nuanced approach, depicting changes mostly as improvements and generelly following an epistemological line of describing things becoming better, more advanced, more just, more generous under Islamic rule etc. etc. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 11:06, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Qur'an does require women to wear veils[edit]

I'm a little confused, I know that it's someone elses assertion but it's entirely false the Qur'an does order women to cover themselves with their jalabeeb (Jilbab). What proof is there otherwise? Muwwahid (talk) 14:54, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

I on the other hand.... do not agree... only men who have a basic fear of women would decree such. I dont think Mohammed was anything that male with no fear of women. That think came later from the fears of immature men and their need to control everything within their meagre reach. Dont agree with me... *shrugs* ... I care less, but I would say .. examine your OWN motives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:07, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


This article is rubbish. John Esposito is notorious for his favorable opinions of Islam. The man owes his professorial tenure to Islamic endowments. Talk about conflict of interest!-- (talk) 12:18, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

So, can you suggest some persons who give opposite opinions with valid, verifiable, reliable sources for this article? Swingoswingo (talk) 15:36, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
As Swingoswingo says, if you want to address possible WP:NPOV violations in this article, you should consult reliable sources that reflect alternative points of view and summarize them here, or verify the already cited sources to make sure they're reflected correctly. As of now, your edits have no basis in WP policy. Not only does Esposito's book meet criteria for RS, the statement you've changed is sourced by five other mainstream academic citations, and the pseudohistory and revisionism labels are based on nothing more than your personal opinion, in violation of WP:NOR. Eperoton (talk) 18:49, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

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