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The result of the move request was: not moved. SSTflyer 08:34, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]



– To disambiguate from East France (European Parliament constituency), which is known both commonly and officially (see e.g. [1]) as "Est", the French for "East".
The choice of new name is less straightforward. The WP:COMMONNAME and official name of the Irish constituency is "East", so ideally the title would simply add a disambiguator to that. However, since the title is already disambiguated by a standard disambiguator (used for all EuoParl constituencies), that would either break the convention (e.g. East (Irish European Parliament constituency)) or create an ugly pair of parenthesised disambiguators (e.g. East (Ireland) (Irish European Parliament constituency)). So I think it is better to follow the French example and use natural-language disambiguation per WP:NATURALDIS. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:30, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PS I have just spotted that the same issue applies to North-West (European Parliament constituency), which is ambiguous with North-West France (European Parliament constituency). Since the same issue applies in both cases, it makes sense to discuss both articles together, so I have added North-West to this discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:54, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@BrownHairedGirl: Yeah, these are artificial names anyway: the French EU parliament constituencies do not match any administrative, geographical or historical region of France, they were created ad hoc for the EU parliament elections. I suppose that the same thing happened in Ireland, so that the names there also sound artificial to the Irish. In this context, I agree that the disambiguator should remain uniformly "(European Parliament constituency)" and that we can use descriptive titles for the ambiguous constituencies such as East France and East Ireland (or "East of France" and "East of Ireland" if that sounds better) — JFG talk 23:46, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, JFG. You are right that these constituencies don't match the administrative, geographical or historical regions of Ireland. The 2009–14 incarnation of North-West (European Parliament constituency) is a particularly hideous construct, both in shape and in socio-economic/cultural diversity.
The pre-2004 constituencies (Connacht–Ulster, Leinster, Munster) followed the boundaries of the provinces of those name. But East, South and North-West were new creations solely for the Euro elections. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:14, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Says a lot about the aloofness of EU bureaucrats, really! I just noticed there's an East of England EP constituency, so I would favour converging to "East of France" and "East of Ireland" names. Wait, there's a South West England too, what shall we do?? — JFG talk 00:41, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like there are problems with a number of these articles. North-West France redirects to the disambiguated title North-West France (European Parliament constituency), which is even more of a problem if "North-West France" isn't actually in use for that constituency. The whole lot of them may need an overhaul.
As far as this article goes, I still don't see the proposal as an improvement. If "East of Ireland" isn't used for this topic, it shouldn't be used. It's not a descriptive title title as the parenthetical (European Parliament constituency) isn't natural or descriptive. A real descriptive title would be something like "East Ireland European Parliament constituency", but that's a whole other can of worms.--Cúchullain t/c 04:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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