Talk:East London, Eastern Cape
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Is Bisho really part of Buffalo City? I can't see any reference to this elsewhere... Nyh 09:16, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC) No Bisho is not part of East London, however both settlements are in Buffalo City and are part of the same municpality. Quite a bit of development on precisely how South African local government is structured should be put up. I am attempting to get the process underway: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=South_African_Municipalities
There is an error in this article. The Xhosa for East London is Emonti, Not Imonti. The E- prefix indicates a place, whereas I- indicates an object. - ISS
- No, we've been through this on the Cape Town page. the e- prefix is a locative, and the i- prefix is simply the name. Imonti means East London, Emonti means "at, in, to East London" Joziboy 25 April 2006, 12:33 (UTC)
Argedy Arg, Local Government in S.A is a pain. Basically separate entities for S.A towns and cities and local government units are neccessary. I put together a list that was thankfully fixed up and put together in the List SA Municpalities page which forms the current shopping list of muncipality entries that need to be built (hopefully all with the same format). It would seem necessary to include the names (and references) of constituent settlements of municipalities in that municipality entry. Therefore Bisho should not be refered to in East London but should be included in the Buffalo City Local Municipality entry, which I have now done.
Changed title to avoid confusion
I changed the title to East London, South Africa to avoid confusion with East London, England. If you look at the "what links here" list for East London you will see several articles that incorrectly link there because editors assumed that the link would go to an article about the east end of London. Spylab 16:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- I've now created a disambiguation page about East London and redirect East London to there. Simply south 18:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, this all leaves East London redirecting to East London (disambiguation), which should never be the case, and should have been changed as well. I also suspect that, encyclopaedically speaking, the South African city remains the primary meaning, even if a few erroneous links have been created. I shall move East London, South Africa back to East London, but will not content a move request to change the latter into a disambiguation page. Until then, the dablink at the top will suffice. --Stemonitis 12:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with this move. I have periodically checked for links to East London and updated them to East London, England. I normally find quite a few have been added. East London in England is a very large area with a considerable number of places, people and things associated with it. MRSC • Talk 18:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- I also support the move. Regan123 23:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- This has now been debated for five days with no-one contesting the proposed move, so I will implement it. Thanks to all who participated. Sam Blacketer 11:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- It's a bit of terminological detail, I suppose. I phrased it as East London --> East London, South Africa because the location of articles rather than disambiguation pages felt like the more substantial change, although you're quite right that the move of the disambiguation page is also connected. However I can't myself move the disambiguation page because it needs administrator involvement. I was thinking about contacting one to get this done. At the moment the East London page is a redirect to East London (disambiguation). Sam Blacketer 12:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Why East London?
This article could use, I think, an explanation as to why it is called East London. Was there another settlement to its west that was called London, but which has since been encompassed by other settlements or diminished and disappeared? Or is it named this because it is, longitudinally, east of London, England? Why did the founders not just call it "London", like a dozen places in North America, Belize and Kiribati? GBC (talk) 01:04, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- I have absolutely no idea why it is called that. I searched online about the history of East London, and the municipality and provinsial government don't say. I'm guessing it's called so because it's East of London, England, like you said, longitudinally. Unlike other 'West' and 'Easts' in South Africa (see Somerset East and Somerset West/ Aliwal North and Aliwal South (now called Mosselbaai)), this one doesn't have an opposite counterpart. Bezuidenhout (talk) 08:51, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- An interesting question. I am guessing it is named after the East London in England. All the other places in South Africa with a cardinal direction in their name that I'm aware of have the cardinal direction after the name rather than before. To me this implies that East London has always been the name, rather than having had "east" tacked on to avoid confusion with another place in South Africa. If it was originally just London and then needed to be distinguished from another South African London, they would surely have become London East and London West. None of the other places in South Africa named after towns in other countries have a cardinal direction to imply they are south or east of the original: Worcester, Malmesbury, Bethlehem, Berlin, Belfast, Ermelo, Middelburg(s) etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 14:15, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- The Dictionary of Southern African Place Names doesn't say, which to me is an indication that it may not be known at all. - htonl (talk) 14:27, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
There is no need for the hatnote ("For other uses...") at the top of this article. Hatnotes are for cases where a reader may have reached one article when they meant to reach another. There is no way that a reader would reach this article when they were actually looking for the London region. To somewhat paraphrase from WP:NAMB, "a reader who is following links within Wikipedia or using Wikipedia's own search engine would not have ended up at East London, Eastern Cape if one were looking for other places named East London". Hatnotes are not just to link together similarly-named articles, they are specifically for when redirection may be needed. - htonl (talk) 16:55, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
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