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- 1 Accuracy?
- 2 Personnel
- 3 Release dates
- 4 Track listing
- 5 Length
- 6 Album art
- 7 First Single
- 8 Eat Me, Drink Me Covers
- 9 Revolver interview.
- 10 Genre
- 11 The Heirophant this The Heirophant that
- 12 This article appears to contradict itself
- 13 Updates
- 14 Parental Advisory
- 15 VampiresFreak.com Account
- 16 Leak
- 17 Title
- 18 Lyrics
- 19 Cleanup
- 20 Contradiction
- 21 Special Edition
- 22 Cleaning Up Article
- 23 Tour photos
- 24 Explanation on the removal of goth rock and post punk
- 25 Background Information Duet
- 26 Fair use rationale for Image:Heart-Shaped Glasses Video Screenshot.jpg
- 27 Inspiration.
- 28 Sales
- 29 EMDM IS GOTH ROCK!
- 30 Improving the article
- 31 File:Eat me drink me logo.jpg Nominated for Deletion
- Not too pleased with this article. Whoever wrote it has misinterpreted completely the process. Manson recorded eight demos in December 2004 and by October 2005 these demoes now represented eighteen complete songs without vocals. Towards the end of October of 2005 Manson recorded This Is Halloween and began putting his vocal takes onto the album with lyrics largely quelled from his notebooks. Then he got married and engrossed in Phantasmagoria as he had been so there wasn't much work on the album until the April - June period. It has two months or so left of work to be done but this is largely in the mixing department as Skold and Manson produce thier own albums. I appreciate that a series of interviews doesn't help but none of the aformentioned 'facts' surronding the album are made clear in this quite useless entry. 19:17, 29 October 2006 User:18.104.22.168
- Whoever took off the title in the various articles is a complete moron. We even cited it, check out Marilynmanson.com Reverting now ~ 22:18, 20 January 2007 User:22.214.171.124
Shouldn't Ginger be under confirmed personnel? He played "This Is Halloween" with Marilyn Manson on Jay Leno so he's definitely part of the new lineup.
- It hasn't been confirmed whether he actually played on the album, which is what this article is about. Beestung 15:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Why is Chris Vrenna listed as possible personnel? he was a touring drummer for a brief period of time, no more. User talk:126.96.36.199 14:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think there's any chance of Twiggy helping or participating on this albukm in anyway. And I recall someone saying that Ginger Fish was talking about the Eat Me, Drink Me cover art photoshoot. Saying that "They did the photoshoot last weekend." If this is accurate, this implies Ginger was at the photoshoot, and therefore is most likely still in the band for this album. This and his appearence on the This is Halloween preformance of the Jay Leno show seems to me to be enough evidence that Ginger is helping that we can add him to confirmed band members. I'll look for Ginger's statement about the photoshoot.
- THIS IS IMPORTANT; a full version of the French press conference has surfraced. There was an error in the translation and somehow it became 'exclusive collaboration' in actuality Manson says 'a strong collaboration' and also elaborates on how it sounds like a band in the studio as oppsoed to a live band in a studio. i.e. the translation of the French article was
- 'Ginger is still in the band but this album is an exclusive collaboration between me and Tim Skold. Even if it were important for me to regard us a group then it would not be the case of the live band going into the studio to record the album because of how quick the songs were coming out of me. The simplest part for me was to sing, I had to write the words, but as soon as I had finished the first song it all came spilling out very quickly and I didn’t expect it to.'
- But what was actually said but not conveyed due to the inaccuracy of the source material is:
- Ginger is still in the band but this album is a strong collaboration between me and Tim Skold but it was also an important intention of mine to have this be a band and not a live band record so I went to a lot of different efforts to make that happen and that was the easy part for me, the hard part was singing and that didn’t happen until October because I couldn’t get anything accomplished then when I finally sang on the first song I sang ‘Just a Car Crash Away’ and after I sang that song everything came out very fast and very, very easily for me, not easy in fact, difficult, but it came quicker than it ever has before. Iconoclast322 03:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
The only way of knowing for sure who performed what instrument duty specifically and where writing credit is due is from interviews and such, and maybe the website once the Eat Me, Drink Me album page gets added. Basically the reason for this is because the album booklet publicizes the following regarding any writing credits: "All songs written by Marilyn Manson & Tim Skold." and "Performed by Marilyn Manson and Tim Skold." Both citations are taken directly from the booklet, so while we can assume from this that by "All songs written by Marilyn Manson & Tim Skold.", Marilyn Manson again wrote all of the lyrics and Tim Skold wrote all of the music, but as for "Performed by Marilyn Manson and Tim Skold.", this isn't much information. Instrument credits and album personnel don't list anything more than what I have included here. Everything else is in regards to mixing, engineering, programming, thank-you's, etc. This could cause a bit of a problem regarding tediousness of the Personnel section. R-Tiztik 01:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
In the current issue of Revolver Magazine, it states that MM is looking for a new guitarist. Any word on who that guy is yet?
- NopeGoldenglove 08:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The forum section of John 5's website mentions that John talked to Tim Skold about Skold's guitar-playing on the record, so Skold probably played guitar on Eat Me, Drink Me, not someone else. And recently Manson announced that Skold would be the live guitarist for the upcoming tour in June, so the band most likely isn't searching for a new guitarist. R-Tiztik 20:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- Marilyn Manson and Tim Skold did the entire album by themselves. Skold is playing guitar on the tour and Rob Holliday is playing bass. Street walker 08:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
they did not do the entire album by themselves, whose on drums and keys hmmm..... yea there are other musicians on this albumRauj16 05:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- They did do the entire album themselves. Manson performed vocals and drums, Skold performed guitar, bass and keyboard. The short writing process had occurred while the other members of the band weren't available, and it simply wasn't worth the wait, as the majority of the tracks were recorded on the spot and in some instances, during the first takes. R-Tiztik 00:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Stop fucking putting the release date as February 2007 unless you have some magical fucking citations growing out your ass that I don't know of.
- Also, march-may is a little redundant, as the release date is spring, and besides a span of two months is to vague and unknown to quote.
Yes, I agree, no particulars on release dates or anything else have yet been released to the public by Manson.
- Though, Manson did state on the article that revealed the name that it was expected for Spring. (Let's hope '07)
Once again, conflicting release dates. In the box, it says rumored to come out in march 27th, yet in the article, the mtv website is quoted as march 23rd. We need to get our facts straight. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MarilynFireDown (talk • contribs) 23:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
- I heard on the Atlanta rock station, Project 961, that the album will indeed be coming out on March 27th. The DJ who announced it was named Knox.
I believe it was a MTV website that originally said the release date in France or some other foreign country was March 23rd. But, on a more recent update, the release date was pushed back to a release date of the 27th of May. This was also in a European country, and is not the USA release date. Speculators on The Hierophant Council speculate it will come out late May, so this date seems probable.
- June 19, 2007 - source?
Until someone sources the June 19 release or 70:01 length, it's not worth noting. R-Tiztik 20:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Revolver magazine says May Nickoladze 18:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Given that we have conflicting dates, I think 'late spring 2007' would be best here John R S 00:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Alright, there seems to be an edit war starting over the release date between May and June.
I would like to point out that note 1 cites that paragraph, and that source says in the last paragraph "Eat Me, Drink Me is tentatively scheduled for a May release".A newer source claiming otherwise should be cited after the sentence. -- Reaper X 21:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- You're welcome. :P Nickoladze 23:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Apart from the Revolver interview, the release date has been stated as the end of May here : http://www.mansonusa.com/php-bin/news/fullnews.php?id=420 Goldenglove 09:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- The article you (Goldenglove) linked to says that Manson will be headlining the tour with slayer at the end of May. It says separately that the album will be out in June. Also, I don't really have french skills but this article is either saying that Eat Me, Drink Me comes out on May 28, or "When the Heart Guides the Hand" does. R-Tiztik 22:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, did a mistake, it says there the album is due to come out in June. Goldenglove 07:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- No problem there, now someone added June 12, 2007 (even though it is a June date and would make sense), but isn't sourced. I'm going to remove it in the meantime cuz if June 12 is in fact the release date then we'll be hearing about it sometime soon, at The Heirophant or some other source. R-Tiztik 15:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Where's May 28th coming from? John R S 23:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- "Marilyn Manson tourne en ce moment sous la direction de James Cameron le clip de "When The Heart Guides The Hand", premier extrait du nouvel album "Eat Me, Drink Me" qui sortira le 28 mai." from the Charts in France article. R-Tiztik 01:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Look it was penciled in for May 29, the artwork was done in early Feb, the mixing late Feb and the single video shot late March. It's all in the can, that's why the French mag were able to listen to it. The release date was put back a week (to June 5th) because Manson cancelled four days of interviews with European magazines from Feb 14 - 18 because it was too much having to go over all the details of his shitty 2006. He's on the Henry Rollins show on the 13th of this month, the interview was filmed at the end of January, it should set some of this straight.
- Just got this from the Heiro...http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/14048512/spring_music_preview_fifty_musthear_albums/3
- shows a 6.5.07 release date
- (MarilynFireDown 08:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC))
Please people, stop adding random songs to this list because you have a feeling they might show up on the album. Nickoladze 04:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, come on! There is very little chance of that "Celebritarian Hymn" being included on the album! I know it was pure speculation to begin with, but now the word designating SPECULATION is gone! It was background music on a website for crying out loud! It's not happening...
Why? It could be a great intro song. Nickoladze 18:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- With all due respect, Marilyn Manson stated that he won't have filler on his album. I would class "Celebritarian Hymn" as filler.
Where did all these new 'confirmed tracks' come from? I'd remove them, but I'd like to first know if there was some sort of unlinked source... John R S 22:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- If you want to quote the Rolling Stone article to add track details, do it in a way that makes it clear that it is a QUOTE FROM ROLLING STONE, or a quote from Manson if the article was quoting him. Also, this is an article on the album, so we don't need tons of unnecessary junk about the tracks.John R S 18:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
IMHO: "Rebels Without Applause" = "The Red Carpet Grave". He's just change the name. And how do you think?
- Looks like it, but better leave it the way it is until a full tracklist will be unveiled to public. Goldenglove 16:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, given that the track listing features 'The Red Carpet Grave' and not 'Rebels Without Applause', it's certainly a possibility... but you'll have to dig up some confirmation before adding anything about it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 02:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC).
Someone keeps removing the header that separates the POSSIBLE INCLUSIONS from the CONFIRMED INCLUSIONS. If there is no article out that specifically names the track and says it is on the album, it is NOT confirmed. John R S 02:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
"This is Halloween"
Why would "This is Halloween" be on the promotional version? I can't recall any Manson album where a cover appeared on the promo version. The article should say that the track appearing on the standard version is improbable (but possibly on international versions), instead of the track appearing on the promotional version is probable. The latter is mere speculation whereas covers have actually been released on international versions of previous albums. If both claims haven't been exactly proven, then the details next to the track name might as well include the claim that's slightly more backed up. R-Tiztik 03:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
"Heart Shaped Glasses (When the Heart Guides the Hand)"
So now here's another conflict. "Putting Holes in Happiness" was mentioned twice in Rolling Stone as the album's first single. Manson has also been filming a short film (like Doppelherz was). So now "When the Heart Guides the Hand" comes up on a french site saying it's the first single even though "Putting Holes in Happiness" was already confirmed twice. I know nothing's solid when the album won't be out for 2 months but I mean, this was confirmed from interviews. "When the Heart Guides the Hand" is said to be filmed but there's no confirmation whether or not it will be on the album, unlike every other track in the Confirmed Working Titles which were confirmed as being on the album. I'm removing it from the Confirmed section, (especially seeing as whoever added it to Confirmed didn't have the courtesy to remove it from the Possible inclusions section). R-Tiztik 14:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- I added info that When the Heart Guides the Hand will possibly the album's first single. Goldenglove 17:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Suicide girls stated that they believed the song was called "When The Heart Guides The Hand" but that they were not sure (http://suicidegirls.com/news/music/20729/)
- The publisher of this particular post (Nixon) believed the song was actually called "Heart-Shaped Glasses", but added that she wasn't completely sure — she also mentioned that "You know how Manson is. The title is never as simple as the refrain," which could hint that "heart-shaped glasses" are part of the lyrics. It's not worth mentioning in the Eat Me, Drink Me article as of yet seeing how it's merely speculation. She also mentioned Evan Rachel Wood as Manson's "new girlfriend", but this might just be due to the multiple projects he and her are involved in ("When the Heart Guides the Hand", "Phantasmagoria", etc.), and seeing as how Manson has recently had his divorce and subsequent depression, this statement is entirely speculation and probably not worth considering. Probably. R-Tiztik 20:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Found this on The Heirophant...it's replacing "When the Heart Guides the Hand"
Universal Music France has reported that the first single from Manson's new album "Eat Me, Drink Me" will be "Heart Shaped Glasses" (previously titled "When the Heart Guides the Hand") which we can expect to hear around mid April. Manson has also made a 3D video for "Heart Shaped Glasses" which is an extract from a 3D horror movie which Manson will continue filming at the beginning of 2008 with James Cameron.
The official release date in France for "Eat Me, Drink Me" will be Monday 4th June. There will be two editions available with one being a special collector’s edition.
(MarilynFireDown 04:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC))
- This title was what one of the SuicideGirls thought it to be as well, according to this article, more information about this above in the "When the Heart Guides the Hand" section. And on another note I can;t wait for the Collector's Edition hehehe. R-Tiztik 04:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Mid-April, that's finally some great news. Goldenglove 13:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
"Eat Me, Drink Me"
Just because The Heirophant confirms the title track as in all capitals you think you should keep changing it back to reflect this, I suggest you do some reading regarding capitalization on Wikipedia first (WP:MOSCL, WP:MOSTM and WP:ALBUMS). R-Tiztik 20:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- The first link specifically states "Reduce track titles on albums where all tracks are in all capitals to title case." All of the tracks on the album are not capitalized. It should be allowed.
- Yes, it should. I have changed it capitals. On the CD case all the tracks are listed in title case except for EAT ME, DRINK ME, specifically. The tracklist is found in two different places on the CD case, once on the back in a simple font and on the back of the booklet, and both times EAT ME, DRINK ME is in capitals, as well as in the lyrics the title of the song is written so. It was done for a reason and the tracklist in the article should show this. Donniedarkofan2006 08:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
New songs unveiled
A few links unveiling new song titles: http://www.mansonnew.info/album08.php (in French)
http://www.mansonusa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46726 - The Heirophant thread
- Seems there is a mistake concerning the name "I'm not your vampire" ('cos the description fits "If I was your Vampire").
- Goldenglove 13:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Official Track Listing
Here it is: http://www.mansonusa.com/php-bin/news/fullnews.php?id=426 Goldenglove 16:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Just to add though, They Say That Hell Is Not Hot is actually entitled They Said That Hell's Not Hot. Though RS doesn't agree with this (because they lifted their news from Blabbermouth who recieved the news from The Heirophant anyway) it has been revised into the tracklisting on The Heirophant.
Well, you can just add a note about how there's conflicting data. Either could be the title, and we really can't just arbitrarily choose one 184.108.40.206 01:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- Marilyn Manson's website has (finally) updated with the tracklisting so that could be cited as the source as opposed to the Heirophant or Rolling Stone. Iconoclast322 00:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
MansonUSA was the first source for this Official tracklisting and they got that from an official source.
70:01 - source?
- The total time of the leak is 52:22, so the retail version will either be approximately that same time, or not too far off. R-Tiztik 23:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Where did this come from? It looks pretty legit (except that the album's not out for a while) which is why I'm wondering where it came from.. R-Tiztik 17:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Hahahahaahahhaahha, alright good point. R-Tiztik 19:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
No fair use images on talk pages, I have changed them to links. On the other hand, as a Bauhaus fan, I think the Bauhaus links need to be explained thoroughly and prominently. I have just lost what little respect I had left for Manson. J Milburn 21:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- The album art they revealed is FAKE, if you haven't noticed already by reading this discussion. If you're too dense to notice it so far read this and you'll get your proof. Please stop adding the cover. It's a joke alteration of Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead" single. I don't know how much clearer I could put it.. R-Tiztik 01:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
It's been uploaded again. How about semi-protecting this page? Goldenglove 15:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how to protect pages. I added a template saying that unregistered/newly registered users can't edit the article, but I don't think that made it protected cuz some unregistered users were still editing it, and a bot removed the template. R-Tiztik 16:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the fake artwork again after 'tomy comic' re-added it. John R S 17:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- I have been warning the uploader and the guy that keeps adding it to this and the Marilyn Manson (band) article, Derpington (talk · contribs). I'm going to take him to admin intervention or somethin if he does it again. -- Reaper X 00:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Warning that Derpington was a good idea, I was thinking about doing it but I never got around to it. I keep adding a to the article saying to see this talk page before adding a cover but people seem to be too arrogant to bother listening.. Report these bastards haha. R-Tiztik 12:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Corrected the above use of the hidden comment, but in doing so, I killed the user's sig. I had to do it, it was hiding a lot of discussion. In other news, when I actually looked into it, I realised how fake that image was, and so tagged it as a hoax, and nominated it for deletion. Should be deleted any day now. J Milburn 20:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Another fake artwork has appeared. Removed it. Goldenglove 14:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Same fake artwork as last time, or a new one?
- New one, it was the Manson photo which appeared on the website when the album's title was announced. Goldenglove 08:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Where did this come from? I believe it was Vadro who posted it. And it seems Tomy comic is back because he's constantly adding the fake artwork... Again. I gave him this message and I think it's incredibly fitting: [Please stop adding the fake cover to Eat Me, Drink Me your wasting the time of everyone else who benefitially contributes to the article and your edits are ultimately subject to reverts — with 100% purpose. Stop vandalizing the page please.] Hopefully that's the end there. R-Tiztik 15:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Someone's uploaded the good ol' edited Bela Lugos cover again. Goldenglove 15:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Tomy comic started that up yesterday and when I sent him a message telling him to cease constantly adding fake artwork he vandalized the shit out of my user page so I reported him. This article should REALLY be semi-protected, I think there are other active users of the article who can agree; I'm not sure how to protect it though. R-Tiztik 16:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- I also thought it would be funny to list all the pathetic and futile attempts at Eat Me, Drink Me album art people have tried uploading that somehow haven't been deleted yet: this (my personal favorite hehehe), this, and this I've noticed so far. They're all unnecessary but I'm not sure how to request deletion of files.. Just thought it would be fun to point these out though. R-Tiztik 21:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The page is finally semi-protected) What a relief) 17:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oh yess, thank you whoever finally semi-protected the page. should solve a lot of problems. R-Tiztik 18:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
No problem) Goldenglove 13:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Image:Emdmcover.jpg This is the new official album cover. Why was it removed? It's official. Street walker 09:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Because Marilyn Manson doesn't have an official MySpace account. R-Tiztik 12:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- No images on talk pages(see above). Even Manson does have an official MySpace account(that one looks official), I don't think he would've released an album with such a minimalist cover.
It's true that Manson does have an official MySpace — it was launched today which is why I was unaware of it; easy mistake to make given the circumstances though! "If I Was Your Vampire" has revitalized my anticipation for this record (an anticipation that was hindered by hearing "Heart-Shaped Glasses" T_T). Anyways, the artwork with Manson on the left and the "bleeding" MM on the right (next to the stand-alone player that plays "Vampire") seems to be the official artwork. R-Tiztik 23:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- On Manson's Myspace, the artwork in the player is different from that on this page. there is writing on the cover, maybe the arrtwork here must be updated
Where did the 'putting holes in happiness' being the album's first single come from? John R S 23:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Manson wrote the album's first single, "Putting Holes In Happiness," oh his birthday, and describes it as "a romantic-misogynistic-cannibal-gothic-vampire ballad." from this article. R-Tiztik 00:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah. Didn't see that :) John R S 17:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- It's no problem haha R-Tiztik 17:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
A thirty second clip of the single, Heart Shaped Glasses is here: http://www.radiofrance.fr/chaines/lemouv/annuaire/fiche.php?id=5000784 (MarilynFireDown 07:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC))
- Has it been released in full yet, or just the clip? 220.127.116.11 00:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
This is a clip. It'll debut on the radio in May (most likely, seeing as the album is released at the start of June). R-Tiztik 02:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
- According to the article for the song, it was already played on April 10th in France...? John R S 00:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Wow, this is actually really believable seeing as how a rip of the track is on Demonoid. I guess it was true after all. R-Tiztik 00:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- this is the full song. it was released on a french radio station, some fan probably made this "video"(MarilynFireDown 00:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC))
Eat Me, Drink Me Covers
So far 2 covers are rumoured to have been recorded during the album sessions (which is entirely believable considering Manson has tons of covers recorded during album sessions in his back-catalogue; besides the point though):
Can anyone source either of the two?? R-Tiztik 00:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- They are completely unsourced. Manson has never put a cover on one of his studio albums and there was no mention of any covers from those who have heard the unmastered version of the album. Absolute nonsense.
Yeah, they're currently unsourced but to support it with a reason like Manson having never put a cover on a studio album (with the exception of Smells Like Children being mostly a remix EP, I mean) isn't exactly concrete seeing as "Mind of a Lunatic" did make it as a b-side. Either of the 2 songs (given they were actually recorded) could be b-sides also and probably make it onto the "Putting Holes in Happiness" single like those 3 outtakes from The Golden Age of Grotesque made it onto the "mOBSCENE" single, also that album's first single, and in turn worth mentioning in the article. The shitty thing is they're unsourced and pointless to include for now :( .. I wouldn't mind a Bathory cover tho hehe R-Tiztik 19:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- their aren't any covers on this album that i can tell, please add them if you know of someSpeaketh now to me! 18:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
There's a bonus track on the standard Japan version, but it's title hasn't been announced yet. R-Tiztik 20:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Here's some info: http://www.mansonusa.com/php-bin/news/fullnews.php?id=419 I'm too tired to add any of it today, please do it. There are some interesting facts, including an explanation for the album name. Goldenglove 19:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- also, they have the release date in that article as May and not June..
No way Manson can be synth rock. Goldenglove 15:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I took the liberty of removing goth rock as a genre as Marilyn Manson's work is industrial and alternative metal. He never was, nor is a goth artist. But a fine industrial metal musician.
- You haven't heard "If I Was A Vampire" have you? Manson's official MySpace credits the band as Goth, and and Manson himself has confirmed that this generation of the band is in fact swaying in the goth genre direction. R-Tiztik 21:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I personally think we should remove everything except "Goth Rock" as that is the style Manson himself is calling this new album. From the songs I have heard, and from reading reviews of the album, I don't think there is any industrial rock on the album. It's a goth rock album. Street walker 04:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- I think that we should just leave the genre blank until a) the album leaks or b) the album is released (given that it didn't leak) before we assess the genre. "If I Was Your Vampire" is definitely goth, but the same can't necessarily be said for "Heart-Shaped Glasses". Goth is most definitely a genre that this album belongs to, but knowing Manson (and hearing the available songs) this album is going to belong to a few other genres, of which industrial very well may be included, after all Tim Skold was a main composer of the record musically. (Supposedly "They Said That Hell's Not Hot" even pushes to emo). R-Tiztik 15:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Let's remember the album hasn't been released yet (hence the "upcoming/expecting" portion at the top of the page). We can wait until its released to debate on genre. But for the record *in my opinion*, both singles have a post-punk feel to them, "If I was your vampire" is undoubtedley Bauhaus influenced not only in Manson's description, but in sound as well. Pogo, Tim and Manson all have long records of experimental sounds and percussions that are easily stereotyped as Industrial, both in and outside Marilyn Manson. But ultimatley reliable sources will win this debate when they become plentiful after the release, despite whatever animosity the goth scene has towards Marilyn Manson.
- I listened to the album, and the only thing that could even come close was If I was your vampire and that is because it was not as "hard" as the rest. I listen to a lot of goth rock and death rock, and I can honestly say it is not a goth rock album. I would not say it is a metal or industrial album, though which is the kind of stuff we usually hear from him. And personally, he really does not have the voice for goth rock. I probably would opt to remove the goth rock, because the genre listing is really meant for hitting the nail. "Fringe" influences are best just mentioned inside the article. We should remove the goth rock and just mention in the article that he has changed his sound and that it has a song or two which may draw elements from goth rock and give a respective link to the goth rock page. And as for what style manson calls it, he can call it what ever he wants. HIM calls their band "love metal" but that does not mean anything. The only difference is at least HIM made up their own term, which kind of leaves them open to define that term. But Goth rock is a style that existed long before manson and therefore a bit arrogant I think to use that to refer to "his" album and "style" as.
- Hmm, I noticed someone removed the gothic rock link and even though I agree with that (I wrote the paragraph above) I was kind of hoping that person would come here to talk about it. I myself refrained from it because I was not quite ready to actually change anything on the article. If someone feels that manson is getting even close to goth rock, I think it would merit maybe mentioning it in the article, although probably not best in the genre box.
Like the AFI recent album, it takes influence and uses elements from new wave; which isn't the same thing as gothic rock (despite what every 16 year old with an internet connection and a penchant for Hot Topic may think). It would probably be best to just have it as "alternative rock" to avoid a huge genre war. - The Daddy 15:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
It amazes me that other artists can have fifteen genre's listed for an album, but this one is limited to only one consistant genre of "alternative rock" and occasionally an in & out "Alternative metal". If we want to avoid debate wars, cite a generally reliable source such as a magazine (Rolling Stone, Alternative, SPIN) or other popular websites that have reviewed the album, but right now we are citing fears for debate wars and critical personal opinions. Even though magazines can be wrong, they reflect what the majority of people think at the time of an album. No matter what you put down as a genre, this is Marilyn Manson we're talking about, no one wants to be associated with them. Synthetic_coma
The Heirophant this The Heirophant that
Please mention REAL sources, "The Heirophant revealed" stuff is BS, they take informations from other sources, they are not the source.
- Yeah, cuz you have a better source. The Heirophant reports this shit, if anything it's a compilation of PERFECT sources. You don't think they've had any experience on their own sources? Just because the articles locked and you aren't registered and therefore basically have no privilege of contributing to the article doesn't mean you be a dick with your vague 'Heirophant is irrelevant'-theory. R-Tiztik 18:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
No, I think he's right. The Heirophant just reposts information that is sent to them. But that's not a bad thing, maybe we should cite the original sources? MarilynFireDown 18:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- If the original sources are included with the respective Heirophant report, then it's almost the same thing as including the link to the Heirophant source, because someone will want to see the source, they'll click the link to the Heirophant, they'll read the report and at the bottom or wherever they'll see their source (like I said, if one is included). So basically if you want to see their source you just click that link they give, it's all about what site you're looking at. Either way in that case, there is a source. They usually say where they got the information though , so I don't see what the problem is. The only unsourced report I can think of is the track listing confirmation, if I remember correct. R-Tiztik 19:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- That RS article ultimately links back to The Heirophant. Click the Blabbermouth link and read that source's source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by A ham sandwich (talk • contribs) 14:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC).
So i guess the question is, where does all this ultimately come from?
- TRACK LIST, the track list for Marilyn Manson's new Album was confirmed by MansonUSA. And any news that is posted will have a source linked to it aswell if it has one, if it doesnt have a source, like the track listing then its because its come from MansonUSA(Which means they have been told the news from the Manson People)
This article appears to contradict itself
'Eat Me, Drink Me was recorded in multiple studios in California, by lead vocalist Marilyn Manson, guitarist and bassist Tim Skold, keyboardist Madonna Wayne Gacy, and drummer Ginger Fish, along with "an assortment of other musicians".' Then later in the article: 'On April 12, 2007, a press-conference with Marilyn Manson has been conducted, in which he stated the album itself has been a collaboration strictly between himself and Tim Skold.' So one is wrong, and it's obvious which as the second quote is from April 2007 and the other is guess work and a quote from November 2005 concerning an album that was scrapped. 18.104.22.168 19:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
- Good point. Inspiration for "this" incarnation of his sixth studio album started around Halloween, so any previous incarnation of a new album anytime before basically November 2006 isn't worth noting. Eat Me, Drink Me has been worked on from October 31 up to now (unless it's complete, of course). I've changed the article to reflect this. And on a side note I wonder what happened to the last upcoming album that was only 2 songs away, or the one that was half complete, and so on... Oh well, it's coming finally XD R-Tiztik 12:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Because the article is protected, someone needs to remove the part about 'This is Halloween' as it will definitely not appear on the album, as well as the information about the fake covers as the official one has been released.
- "This Is Halloween" isn't there for the tracks that are confirmed, it's there to mention that it could very well be released on the import version as was "Tainted Love". Regardless I suppose it can be removed until this happens. R-Tiztik 20:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I can't see it being included on the album, as it's somewhat upbeat and wouldn't quite fit with the tone of anything by MM since Smells Like Children really, but then again, it's not like the article claims that there's a significant chance. So, I don't see any harm in leaving it. John R S 23:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Could do with losing this from the article in the first paragraph as a) it's not very important, b) it's based entirely on speculation from the fact that IFIWYV and HSG are without swearing. Lastly MITMSFOF features the lyrics 'f--- you, f--- you too' and there are a few other swear words on the record. So it doesn't matter but it probably will have a sticker. Iconoclast322 02:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- Its been established with the latest album-cover on Manson's myspace that it has a Parental Advisory sticker on it ItsNotLupus 12:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
This is somewhat irrelevant to the album itself, imo John R S 14:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I wouldn't say so, 'cos Manson told in an interview that Vampirism is one of the themes of this album. So the VampireFreaks.com account is one of the advertising means. GoldengloveContribs ·Talk 15:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there a source for that?
- Yeah. I'm listening to it as I type this. I might be digging a hole by adding a link directly to where I picked it up, but you asked for a source.. lol [SOURCE DELETED]. And I'm gonna buy the record so no one give me "the talk". I bought everything Manson ever released so I don't need that talk hehe. R-Tiztik 05:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Theres no shame in file sharing : )
- I'm pretty sure that "the source" in question here is called "the internet." Seriously, how do you get a source for a leak? VelvetKevorkian 07:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
The question is how do you source a leak without encouraging piracy. Some people don't have the same good intentions of purchasing the respective albums when they're released, and I don't really want to encourage that... I sourced it though and I'm hoping there's some cooperative people who are gonna put the link to fair-use. R-Tiztik 11:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a place to breed piracy. I'm not going to take the link down but someone probably will.
If it leaked, then it is a fact, no source should be needed. Linking to a place to download it would be illegal anyways. Nickoladze 13:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- oh gee, just tell us where it is already so that we can enjoy it b4 the release. then go buy it so we can still say we paid the 15.95 for it. TELL US!22.214.171.124 18:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah that's why I didn't really want to put the link, but judging on how soon (I added this info within just minutes of the initial leak) the leak had been surfacing for there weren't many sources as it was, so I could understand the questioning of its authenticity. Now that it's been over twelve hours it should be common knowledge that the album is in fact leaked and the source I added at this point will only lead to... more naughty piracy! But I'll do my best to encourage people who did download the album, to buy a retail copy as well; it's worth paying for. That's all I'm gonna say. R-Tiztik 20:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
i agree whole heartedly i will buy the collectors Rauj16 02:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry but it just sounds a wee bit perverted to me, just sayin`.
- Thank you for your valuable contribution.
If you knew Armin Meiwes story that the title semi-derived from, I bet you'd be saying that. It's not just a title... R-Tiztik 20:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- huh, even if there is a story it does come of a wee bit perverted if your ignorant to the story
Then again if you were shy to perversion you wouldn't be a true Marilyn Manson fan from the beginning now would you ;) R-Tiztik 05:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- CHEERS TO THEE R-TIZTIK!!Rauj16 06:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
certainly through listening to this album a few hundred times it is evident that throughout his time of turmoil Marilyn Manson has matured in a way that he now gives us an insight into his personal emotions. This album is hauntingly interesting and it is not always easy to interpret. A true beautiful brilliance created by the AntiChrist Superstar, himself.
The list if not complete, but do not remove it because it is user submited so the will be up soon! Rauj16 06:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- It's not legally out yet, but I agree that this article is a complete mess.
In the opening segment it says that its not known who performed keyboard and drum duties......but at personell it says Manson did percussion and Tim did keyboards, can whoever did either parts of the article clean this up? -Synthetic coma-
Was a special edition released? I wasn't able to find a copy through the past week... John R S 01:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
this is not a chat forum, and no it hasnt. ItsNotLupus 11:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
If you didn't notice, the article claims that the special edition was released on june 5th along with the standard edition and I was trying to see if that was true despite my personal experience. I don't even know where you get off trying to act like I thought this was a forum. John R S 21:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Cleaning Up Article
How should the 'current status' section be changed to reflect the fact that the album has been released? 126.96.36.199 02:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- Seems as though someone's already taken care of that. R-Tiztik 22:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Explanation on the removal of goth rock and post punk
Goth rock and post punk are old genres from the early eighties, so it is very rare that you see actual examples of these genres in today's music. It is easy to see the next nu-metal band or industrial band. So if you are going to put it on here you better have a good source, a credible one that actually knows about these genres who have hit the history books. Guys, if they actually noticed gothic rock in one of marilyn manson's albums, who would care to comment would include pete scathe, mick mercer, dave thompson, paul Hodkinson. These guys write material on the genre, which as I said is more of a thing of history than a current trend.
...what would you consider a credible source, someone that thinks along the same lines as you maybe? My arguement is not that the genre should only say "gothic rock" or "post-punk", but they should be listed. Nothing in today's music is definitive (obviously from "alternative"), so I think its critical to list what all an album or band is close to sounding like. How credible is wikipedia if all of the music has "alternative" as the genre, ESPECIALLY when that genre (or at least the wikipedia entry) summarizes many styles and trends in modern music? Use music magazines as long as they don't contradict one another.
Background Information Duet
Is the song that he and Shirley Manson did a duet on really called 'Don't You Want Me With Baby'? Surely the 'With' ought to be removed.
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Does anyone know how many copies of this record have been sold to date? The figure of 214,000 is quoted in the article, however that was 3 months after the album was released, how many more copies have been sold since?--Freikorp (talk) 13:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
EMDM IS GOTH ROCK!
I know other manson albums like ACSS or POAAF don't have the Goth-like sound/visuals , but come on people, there is no denying it. This particular Manson album has sounds and music styles obviously inspired by goth culture. --KMFDM Fan (talk) 18:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Improving the article
Can you guys please stop using Mansonwiki, The Nachtkabarett and Marilynmansonimages as direct sources. Wikipedia does not recognize them as proper sources. This page will continue to go nowhere if you people keep doing so. Also, learn to use wikipedia's cite web, journal, news, etc. templates.
Anyone interested in actually doing this right, here are a couple of very good references to cite or use as a guide:
- News on Marilyn Manson's activities from ACSS to present, compiled by VH1. You can directly cite these.
- Marilyn Manson Bringing Twiggy Songs, Satan, "One Giant Evil Cocktail" On Tour
- Marilyn Manson Scares Up Mayhem, Memories In NYC; Plus Photos
- RS EMDM review
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