Talk:Eddie Izzard

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What happened to requests?[edit]

What happened to requests for sources? This material was simply removed as unsourced: [1], [2]?? I think editors should at least be given a reasonable opportunity to provide supporting sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:53, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Improving this article[edit]

I came here with the intention of improving this article. A week ago it contained large swathes of unreferenced material, much of which was promotional in tone. I removed most of it. Per WP:BLPSOURCES we cannot have unsourced or poorly sourced (ie tabloids) material on this article. Now, another user has challenged my intentions and I said I would post here. The problem with well-intentioned edits like this is that as well as dubious sources, it restores poor language to the article. Rather than cobble together weak sources to maintain this as a fan tribute page, we should instead agree what the good sources are (a high-profile comedian who has practised for 20 years must have some serious books about him?), then try to summarise these sources in a well-balanced encyclopedia article. One of the concerns about sourcing in articles like this is that without using this criterion, an article like this comes to include every little thing he has done or said. This leads to a terrible article. --John (talk) 19:42, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

If material is removed with the edit summary "unref", maybe it's not surprising that another editor will simply restore that material with sources added. And maybe another editor wasn't "challenging your intentions" at all, but was merely questioning the speed and manner of a small part of the deletions? Just guessing here, of course. There is Dress to Kill (Virgin Books, by Izzard, Quantick and Double) but that's 15 years old. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Autobiographies are interesting but what is really needed is a book by someone else about him. --John (talk) 20:05, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps we'll have to wait until someone writes one. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:09, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
You're right, hardly anything seems to have been written about him in books, which is surprising. This looks interesting though. --John (talk) 20:13, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
And also this. --John (talk) 20:16, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
I assume Glorious (Eddie Izzard) is the video? Anything by John Lahr is probably worthwhile, except that that chapter looks rather rambling and it is also 15 years old. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:31, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure, I am not familiar with his material in that much detail. I would prefer a good source, even a fairly old one, over primary sources and newspaper reports. We do not need to aim for comprehensiveness here, it's a summary. My vision for this article is that it sums up with good sources:
  • He is a comedian. A summary of his main career stages, including awards. Possibly discuss his transvestitism here, or does it deserve a section of its own?
  • His film roles.
  • His political activism; pro-Europe, pro-Labour, pro-Better together. Mention his multilingualism.
  • Other stuff, like the marathons.
I would imagine the details of his filmography and discography can best be spun off into daughter articles.
Right now, we could do with a definitive selection of sources; articles by respected authors that describe him, like the example I found. If there are other headings or individual things which we agree are worth including, then of course we can try to include them. The defining fault of articles on celebrities who have been around for a while is fancruft bloat. We could easily have an article ten times the length if we included everything he has ever done that has been reported in the media. We need to choose the most significant ones that give you his story fairly rather than a chronological list of every single thing he has done. When finished this article should not be longer than that of Margaret Thatcher, one a couple of us got to GA against all the odds and in the face of similar concerns. I am sure we can do the same here. --John (talk) 17:31, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, what's an Emmy, after all. I guess we can just dump details of when and why he was awarded that. Or was it three? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:53, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
There is very good material in Sunshine on Putty: The Golden Age of British Comedy from Vic Reeves to The Office, which goes through his early work, through to the take off in the US. Its strong also on analysing his style. I can add, but am short on editing time, so it may be a week or two. Ceoil (talk) 17:21, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Book me in for next January. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:23, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
I'll take you up on that, haha. Also the edit summary, though caustic, wasnt aimed at you, its just that the article is slight, and award lists are cancer in that context. Lets see it grow more substantial. Ceoil (talk) 17:28, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Am enormous list of one at the last count. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:30, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, but taking on an article like this, one of the first tasks is always to cut the incremental stuff. And that aint easy (the reason why Francis Bacon is so intimidating to me, though ive been reading and absorbing him for 25 years). I'd say give John space and licence. Ceoil (talk) 17:45, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, more space already. I'm sure you'd never have caught Francis in dress and stilettos. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
I thought you were already paid off. What, another mars bar? Ceoil (talk) 18:38, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2016[edit]

Eddie Izzard likes to be known as a British-European so should not be called "English". To be English one has to be born in England, otherwise you are British.


Chickenhatch (talk) 14:28, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Need a source in which he refers to himself as "a British-European". Also, you can also be English by lineage, which seems to be the case here. Cannolis (talk) 13:41, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
He does have quite a penchant for European languages, mais ce est pas tout à fait la même chose, est-il? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:53, 6 January 2016 (UTC) Martinevans123 (talk) 13:53, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Transgender[edit]

Izzard recently described himself as transgender while talking about his 27 marathons in 27 days attempt:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/cdb63bc0-203a-418d-b3ad-995ee1572656?intc_type=singletheme&intc_location=sportrelief&intc_campaign=sportrelief&intc_linkname=vidclip_izzard_contentcard7

Can this be added to the article? The date of the other ref for this in the personal life section is 2001, so this is a much more up-to-date reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.116.143 (talk) 07:41, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Well the rhetorical question he posed in fact was "Can transgender idiots from Britain do things like this?" So good luck with that one. But, let's face it, he's about as feminine as Corporal Klinger. Such a self-description already appears in the article, however, from a 2001 interview with The Guardian? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:56, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
In this more recent video, he clearly refers to himself as transgender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARKUJIoeZpw This is an unabigous self-identification that is more up to date than any other referenced. Therefore he should be added to LGBT and transgender categories. --81.100.25.160 (talk) 17:03, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes, the title is a bit of a giveaway. So I have added it as a source. If you are adding those Categories, does that exclude Category:Genderqueer people? I'm sorry that I don't understand the nuances of the differences between them. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:10, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
He just did it five minutes ago in a broadcast on the BBC Breakfast news in a live link to South Africa.2.101.148.201 (talk) 08:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)Lance Tyrell
Well, if he describes himself this way, it certainly deserves to be in the article. I see that the Transgender article says, in its opening section: "Other definitions include third-gender people as transgender or conceptualize transgender people as a third gender, and infrequently the term is defined very broadly to include cross-dressers." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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