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Clarify the definition of non formal and informal learning because there is only a brief introduction to informal learning under other education forms. There needs to be a concise difference shown between the terms nonformal and informal because Wikipedia has two separate pages on the two topics.

Education for Aztecs[edit]

Hi. I have added some information in the History section about education for the Aztecs. If there is a problem or error, please feel free to correct. You can also message me if you have questions. Thanks. - Darwin Naz (talk) 23:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Possible conflict of interest[edit]

"Open education is fast growing to become the dominant form of education" "Higher education, in particular, is undergoing a transition towards open education". Those are really baseless assertions. I also see a conflict of interest, for it's in the interest of Knewton to suggest that E-learning is overtaking the traditional system at a fast pace. E-education is not even close to being the dominant form of learning. Wikipedia should not run ahead. This article does not reflect today's reality, which is that very few universities provide online courses and even if they do it's only for a very small number of subjects.

Good point. I rm first sentence and tweaked the second (now first) sentence. Still needs work. Over what time frame did the "14x" growth take place? Student7 (talk) 14:49, 6 April 2014‎

Number of children vs percentage[edit]

A fragment reads "There are 73 million children,[clarification needed] mostly female children in poor families, who did not start elementary school. There are more than 200 million children, mostly females from poor families, who did not go to secondary school."

The problem is that numbers not attending are meaningless for children.

Let's say there are 8 billion people in the world. Let's say they are evenly distributed among 80 years of life giving us 100 million for each year of age. So there could be, what?, 400 million children 14-18 (age of "majority") total? Meaning that half of all children do not attend secondary school? Numbers are meaningless unless there is a total to compare. For elementary school, there would be a candidacy of 800 million students? And only 73 million did not attend school? Who knows? We need percentages or total population. Meaningless without one of the other. Student7 (talk) 23:33, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Definition in lead[edit]

Currently the lead begins as follows:

Education in its general sense is a form of learning in which the knowledge, skills, values, beliefs and habits of a group of people are transferred from one generation to the next through storytelling, discussion, teaching, training, or research. Education may also include informal transmission of such information from one human being to another. Education frequently takes place under the guidance of others, but learners may also educate themselves (autodidactic learning).

While I understand that the phrase "is a form of learning" is an attempt to focus on the goal (learning), education is actually the process of facilitating learning, rather than the goal of the process. For example, we call someone who facilitates learning an "educator" even though the educator is not the learner.

Moreover, as has been mentioned previously on this page, education is not just transferring knowledge etc. from one generation to the next, as it can be transferred between two people of the same generation.

I propose to replace the above passage with

Education in its general sense is the process of formally or informally facilitating learning, by which knowledge, skills, values, beliefs, and habits of a group of people are transferred to other people, through storytelling, discussion, teaching, training, or research. Education frequently takes place under the guidance of educators, but learners may also educate themselves in a process called autodidactic learning.

Comments? Loraof (talk) 15:59, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Not a big difference, but I support the new wording.

Environmental vs Genetic Factors in Educational Achievement[edit]

The article says that "Furthermore, it is likely that this trend arises due to genetic factors. As twin studies have shown, inherited traits are more important in predicting educational attainment than any environmental measures.", with a citation to https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Wendy_Johnson3/publication/7027486_Genetic_and_environmental_influences_on_academic_achievement_trajectories_during_adolescence/links/0deec5272732884fdf000000.pdf

However, that paper only looks at a few environmental factors (things like parental drug abuse) and only looks at pairs of twins living within a day's drive of Minneapolis, MN. The scope of environmental factors measured and the relatively restrictive set of environments considered don't, IMHO, support the claim that inherited factors in general outweigh environmental factors in determining educational achievement. To say that, you really need to cite a study that measures more about your environment (number of books in your house, whether you have enough to eat, whether your family speaks the same language as your school, etc.) and that covers a wider range of environments than are available within an hour's drive of Minneapolis. Remember too that the twins are being split up, so at least one family of each pair of twin families must have been cleared by an adoption agency.

Is this a case where {{Failed_verification}} should be used?

67.149.211.110 (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

This is certainly a question. I have moved the passage here for discussion and separated it into two parts:
  1. Furthermore, it is likely that this trend arises due to genetic factors. As twin studies have shown, inherited traits are more important in predicting educational attainment than any environmental measures.[1]
    This seems to be distinctly weak support, as suggested above. The wording would have to be modified heavily and a review of many studies rather than a single study should in any case be used to support such a broad claim.
  2. Also, educational attainment and intelligence share more than one half of their genetic influences, suggesting the two are highly related.
    No citation is given. Can we find support for this? HGilbert (talk) 03:08, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
This study on the inheritability of educational attainment might be useful, but it is a complex subject. HGilbert (talk) 03:23, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Johnson, W., McGue, M., Iacono, W. (2006). Genetic and environmental influences on academic achievement trajectories during adolescence. Developmental Psychology, 42, 514-532.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2016[edit]

I think I think it is wise to mention something about the difference between Education and Indoctrination. I fear both are very similar since education is indoctrination without coercion.

Many schools still force things without a real dialogue with their students. Imagine being thought how amazing your great leader is every day. Is this education? If I read the first part of the article I would come to the conclusion yes. He is great at facilitating learning, helps me with the acquisition of knowledge, skills, values, beliefs, and habits. I did not have a choice, if I wanted to learn about my great leader but I will believe after reading the article I am being educated. So to make it very clear I think its wise to add that teaching something in a forceful process makes it automatically indoctrination.

You have presented such a forceful case for this that I find myself involuntarily agreeing with you. HGilbert (talk) 13:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Zimonh (talk) 01:01, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Edit requests to semi-protected or protected articles should contain the exact wording of the proposed edit. Your request is vague, unsourced, and unlikely to be accepted by other editors without preliminary discussion. ElKevbo (talk) 01:57, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Education[edit]

I think the article explains about education understandably, so I could understand easily. To be specific, I learned when did the education begin and why education is necessary among people in the world. However, the article will be much better if the writer talked about the education in other countries and compared to several nations. Especially, Korea is a good example of writing about because Korea is famous for the strict school system. On the other hand, America is more focus on the creativeness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.174.158.130 (talk) 06:22, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2016[edit]

Besmartusay (talk) 17:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC) aWSCDF;A/

Purpose of schools section[edit]

The "Purpose of schools" section currently (5 March 2016) gives the impression of editorial opinion rather than a summary of relevant literature on the topic. This should be edited to encyclopedic style.Apegrrl (talk) 02:16, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2016[edit]

Ememabasi (talk) 14:33, 19 March 2016 (UTC) the kings college,uyo provides for education to secondary school students in Nigeria,located at ikot udoro oku,off ikot ekpene road in uyo Akwa ibom state

Not done as this page is only to discuss improvements to the article Education, which is not a list of all the schools in the world - there are about 1 Million secondary schools. - Arjayay (talk) 15:28, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2016[edit]

190.196.211.44 (talk) 17:52, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. /wiae /tlk 19:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Education linked to GE "Bildung"?[edit]

Hi,
I see that in the left-side "Languages" bar, this article is linked to GE "Bildung", which is slightly different subject. The corresponding GE page would be https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausbildung , e.g. vocational training.
Pages to link to "Bildung" would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldtian_model_of_higher_education
(and/?) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education
T 88.89.219.147 (talk) 20:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

There is probably no perfect translation. HGilbert (talk) 14:44, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi, agreed; however, I was thinking not of renaming anything, but of linking together related content rather than unrelated content. Disregarding what "Bildung" might be in English, "Ausbilding" is still the GE page that treats of the same subject matter as "Education" in EN. I don't know if that is much of an argument, but otoh I also have a hard time finding any better, or even any argument at all, for not doing it. T 88.89.219.147 (talk) 17:36, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2016[edit]

Part of this page doesn't meet Wikipedia's neutral point of view standard. I refer specifically to the text in the "Purpose of Schools" section that begins with "Some claim that there is education inequality because children did not exceed the education of their parents" and ends with "The entire internet is also available to supplement these teachers and textbooks." Meteryam (talk) 18:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done the statements are referenced to reliable sources, and, by prefixing them with "some claim", it is clear to the reader that these ideas are not universally accepted, but are sufficiently notable to merit inclusion - Arjayay (talk) 19:04, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Purpose of education[edit]

I have removed this entire section for multiple reasons:

  1. Much of the material did not relate to the purpose of education (e.g. its discussion of inequality).
  2. The material was a series of very short paragraphs (in some cases consisting of a single sentence) on largely unrelated topics.
  3. Much of the material relied on quotes drawn from newspaper articles whose main subject was only tangentially related to the theme. Tertiary sources should be found to support broad claims and to give a backbone to the discussion. In particular, many purposes have been mooted for education, and any such section should give a broad overview of these. Clean Copytalk 21:28, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
I have begun a new section, under the Philosophy of Education, using a first tertiary source. Clean Copytalk 21:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2017[edit]

The paragraph about a liberal arts education is out of place in the main paragraph and may be moved to another section where it is more relevant. 27.33.241.116 (talk) 09:22, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't see any reference to a liberal arts education in the lead paragraphs, only under tertiary education, where it seems eminently relevant. Clean Copytalk 15:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2017[edit]

These early experiences are largely determined by supportive family and community care practices, proper nutrition and health care, learning opportunities, which in turn are dependent on enabling policies and investments for young children and families. ECE positively impacts attendance, retention, and learning of children in elementary and higher education. Naruto622 (talk) 07:19, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 09:18, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Education Is The Key To Success[edit]

"Success beyond Sacrifices" that what people says.Without education we will not be successful and we won't be able to search or seek good jobs and we won't be able to help our family or relatives for their needs. Education is free for all people wanting to continue and finish their studies. We must pursue our selves and relatives so that when we are old enough we will not regret. The schools duty is to educate people like me.. Teachers are our second parents they want as to be disciplined and to be perseverance.. They will be peoples inspiration to pursue them to get to school and don't be lazy to get to school because our parents are working so hard for our needs.. Moon Girl 23 (talk) 03:11, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Is there any change to the article that you want? You appear to simply have a general comment about the concept of education. Power~enwiki (talk) 03:13, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2017[edit]

"The methodology of teaching is called pedagogy." is not fully correct. Pedagogy is related only to teaching of adolescent. Teaching of adults is called andragogy. GaryJericho (talk) 14:11, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

That's pedanticism with which many people disagree (or simply ignore). (However, I might quibble with calling pedagogy a "methodology.") ElKevbo (talk) 15:53, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
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Regions or countries?[edit]

This article states that "In most regions, education is compulsory up to a certain age". I think this would sound better if the word "regions" were replaced by the word "countries". Vorbee (talk) 17:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Dabbing[edit]

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2018[edit]

Suggested changes for the section External links :

Please insert this link http://www.oecd.org/pisa/ which tittle is : OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA)

Please insert this link http://www.oecd.org/education/ which tittle is : OECD portal on education

Please insert this link http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DatasetCode=RGRADSTY which tittle is OECD Statistics

These links are relevant and missing for the subject of education, it will give people more information. Clotildelebihan (talk) 14:27, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: 2 links to OECD websites are already provided. Spintendo      22:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Humboldt[edit]

To me it is difficult to imagine an article about education without a reference to Wilhelm von Humboldt. von Humboldt's educational model goes beyond vocational training. In a letter to the Prussian king, he wrote: "There are undeniably certain kinds of knowledge that must be of a general nature and, more importantly, a certain cultivation of the mind and character that nobody can afford to be without. People obviously cannot be good craftworkers, merchants, soldiers or businessmen unless, regardless of their occupation, they are good, upstanding and – according to their condition – well-informed human beings and citizens. If this basis is laid through schooling, vocational skills are easily acquired later on, and a person is always free to move from one occupation to another, as so often happens in life."[1] My suggestion would be to add this to the article and also refer to the Humboldtian model of higher education 130.226.41.9 (talk) 13:44, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ As quoted in Profiles of educators: Wilhelm von Humboldt (1767–1835) by Karl-Heinz Günther (1988), doi:10.1007/BF02192965

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2018[edit]

I request to add to the history section of this article. I wish to add in Gardner's five minds theory and how Horace Mann created the first normal school as it seems that the history of education is cut extremely short. The source from which this information comes from is an education textbook of the latest edition "teachers, schools, and society a brief introduction to education." this is a fourth edition book, which is used to teach the next generation teachers. Jadesters 17 (talk) 04:41, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2018[edit]

add this link as citation https://diginewspoint.com/technical-education-in-india/Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). [1] 2409:4062:2095:A8CB:98DA:6A11:3AC9:9C7F (talk) 21:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

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References

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2018: Including the following study and reference (e.g. at the end of the 'Economics of education' section) would improve this contribution[edit]

A 2013 study shows that constraints to educational access and attainment in development countries can be better understood by assessing a broad range of factors – on the demand- and supply-side and at the micro and macro levels; it argues that addressing demand-side factors, such as geographic gaps between rural and urban areas, higher levels of population growth (which place constant pressure on new enrolments) and child labour, can often have greater impact on increasing levels of education in developing countries than supply-side factors, such as constructing additional school facilities, hiring more teachers etc.[ref included in article] Edustatists (talk) 18:44, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done dross (c · @) 14:40, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Future of Education[edit]

Hi

I believe more information could be added to the future of education globally and according to country.

Thanks

LOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 02:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

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