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Start a "9th Gen" Page for "Nintendo Switch" and "Ataribox"[edit]

Should a page for the current generation of consoles be started? As of E3 2017 there are two new post-8th Generation consoles, which have their own isolated hardware and software. Now may be the time to seek consensus on a separate article. -- Sleyece 18:57:59, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Not yet. There's a ton of discussions around about this, but basically, reliable sources aren't consistently calling them 9th gen, so neither should we. Sergecross73 msg me 19:11, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Then in this case, why is the Switch not on THIS article? Devann (talk) 04:07, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Because it also hasn't been classified as 8th. --MASEM (t) 04:14, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Not yet. There's a ton of discussions around about this, but basically, reliable sources aren't consistently calling them 8th gen, so neither should we. Sergecross73 msg me 12:10, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Well if it's not an 8th Generation Console than isn't it a 9th Generation Console — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4a:403:3f70:f198:290:6391:e04a (talkcontribs)
No, the next set of consoles may be called a half-step, or there may be no more generations altogether. We don't have any type of consensus in sources yet. --MASEM (t) 01:23, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
We can rule out "no more generations" ought right because the "Switch" is a clear iteration of some kind beyond the "Wii U." Sleyece (talk) 17:43, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
That doesn't mean there's another recognized "generation of consoles" in a general sense. Many past generations contain multiple product iterations from a single vendor. -- ferret (talk) 17:46, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
I see your point. Sleyece (talk) 12:51, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
I think it would be too early for a ninth generation page because nothing as been announced for the Ataribox like it specs except from what a pre-rendered image has shown. The Nintedo Switch is still up in the air at this point as to what gen it belongs to and most likely won't be resolved by reliable sources until all manufacturers has their "next generation" products out on the market. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 08:17, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
The generations as we classify them today are partially a construct of original research conducted here on Wikipedia. Only a couple of older sources use numbered generations, and even then neither source agrees fully on how those generations should be numbered. Wikipedia most notably fused all pre-Crash of '83 cartridge-based systems into a single generation despite no reliable sources doing so (the older sources split the Intellivision, ColecoVision, and Atari 5200 into their own generation separate from the 2600 and other systems released in the 1976-78 period). The current system is basically a product of violation of Wikipedia rules that just happened to stick because it worked, because, from the NES & Master System to the PS4 & XBO, the generations were fairly discrete. Gen 1 systems are Pong machines, Gen 2 was pre-crash cartridge-based consoles, Gen 3 was the NES era, Gen 4 the 16-bit era, and so on.
Now we have the Switch launching in the middle of an ongoing generation and because of that unprecedented release timing nobody can agree on how it should be classified. Some say "It's 9th gen because it follows the Wii U, which was 8th gen," while others argue "It's 8th gen because its still nominally competing with the PS4 & XBO, which are 8th gen." The media has been no help, because not only can nobody agree, they largely don't use numbered generations, and when they do, it's always been in the time since the "Wikipedia Consensus on Generations" was formed. They used to use bits ("16-bit era," etc.), then stopped doing that around the time the PS2 was released. But as long as Nintendo continues to run on shorter generations than PlayStation and Xbox, there's going to be confusion because there is going to be no consensus and no sources to help.
What I think will eventually happen is that either A) Wikipedia stops including Nintendo in generational articles, B) in a few years a determination will be made on the Switch's classification based on the release timing of its own successor, or C) Wikipedia will stop using generations altogether for forthcoming systems. But until then, the Switch will not find a place in any page dedicated to a specific console generation. JGoodman (talk) 19:38, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
b) and c) are possible, a) is not. a) is essentially omitting information for convenience, which will not happen on this site. JGoodman, you also left out the, still very real, possibility that the Switch is 9th gen. Sleyece (talk) 19:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Separating the launch editions from mid cycle revisions in the comparison table[edit]

Since there are several revisions and high end models maybe separating the launch editions from the slim/revised models so that the table doesn't stretch beyond the page margins. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:34, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this, but not quite yet. This gen. is crazy, and we still don't have confirmation on what belongs to what generation. Sleyece (talk) 17:01, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

No 9th gen?[edit]

Please do not WP:REPEAT. - Sleyece (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
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Playstation and Xbox employees are saying that generations are over, so what would happen here if thats the case? 71.245.161.122 (talk) 01:23, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Well first off, who exactly is saying this? Sergecross73 msg me 01:45, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
If it is the case, then that's that. There is no ninth. We enter "post generational" and stop denoting it. -- ferret (talk) 01:50, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Just wait a few years until the release of Playstation 5 and Xbox:Rounded Cube, and the media will start talking about the next generation again. Diego (talk) 18:28, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

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Comparison table[edit]

Hi everyone, I was going to update the comparison table with more up to date that reflected their articles but I never understood why the PS4 Slim and Xbox One S had their own separate columns. Looking at the sixth and seventh generations the slim models were in the same column as the launch models even with minor differences. I made an example of the comparison table in my sandbox where the PS4 Slim and Xbox One S were merged with their launch models (I just hid the image section in my sandbox). I just wanted to get some thoughts on this before making such a big change to the article. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 07:43, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

It is just that way because this is the current generation of gaming. Go ahead and do it (one user's opinion). Someone will have to eventually. Sleyece (talk) 14:49, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Switch[edit]

See preceding sections. - Sleyece (talk) 13:33, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
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How about adding the Nintendo Switch to the page?47.187.192.170 (talk) 07:40, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Read the multiple sections above on this topic. -- ferret (talk) 12:08, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

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