Talk:Einstein family

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It seems that the generations are numbered in an unconventional order, with Albert and his sister belonging to the second generation, whilst his children belong to the first generation. Am I not understanding something here? Ohconfucius (talk) 07:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm very confused by it myself. Einstein also had a grandchild, Bernhard Caesar Einstein, who doesn't appear to be anyone on this page. Probably the best option would be to entirely rework this page. YeshuaDavidTalk • 14:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I have re-ordered the table so that the generation numbers go up instead of down. Bernhard Caesar Einstein has been added to table sometime since the previous comment. Herostratus (talk) 15:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Lieserl Einstein[edit]

I have merged in the contents of the article Lieserl Einstein into this article, in a new section, to resolve a long-standing merge discussion.

Most people seemed to feel that Lieserl did not rate a complete article. The original proposal was to merge to into Albert Einstein, but as others pointed that article is already very long, as this is fairly peripheral information, so I merged it here instead, as another editor had suggested.

I merged in the complete contents of the article. Other editors had suggested that this material should be cut down quite a bit, and speculation removed. I have not done this, but other editors may wish to.

There was also the suggestion that material should be under the name "Lieserl Marić", since the Einsteins were not married. And if fact the German Wikipedia article uses this name. But the Spanish, Portugese, Finnish, and Indonesian Wikipedias use Lieserl Einstein. And the book about here uses Lieserl Einstein. So although it seems that Lieserl Marić would be technically correct, Lieserl Einstein is also a common way to refer to this person. If it's the most common way (I don't know, but probably is) that's what we should use.

I recast the article Lieserl Einstein as a redirect to this page, so if someone want to revert this, fine, but then I think Lieserl Einstein should go to AfD. Herostratus (talk) 14:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Content Removed: Lieserl "Fourth Theory"[edit]

I removed a rambling, uncited, speculative passage about another Lieserl theory. I'm pasting it below in case the author wants to come back and clean it up.

Einstein's illegitimate daughter 'Lieserl': a fourth theory. In November 2009, British journalist Tim Symonds developed a 'Fourth Theory' to explain the mystery of Lieserl Maric-Einstein, born out of wedlock, who disappears from the world in September 1903, aged about 21 months. Symonds agrees with the widely-held belief that after a very difficult delivery the daughter was born with a serious mental handicap. This would explain the lack of photos and the extraordinary blanket of silence which immediately and permanently enveloped the child until she died and for decades beyond. Symonds speculates Lieserl was deliberately killed, an act of mercy-killing, with Albert Einstein's knowledge and consent but not his direct involvement in the act – Einstein never went down from Switzerland to Serbia to visit his daughter during her short life. The probable person who committed the act, Symonds suggests, was Milos Maric, father of Lieserl's mother Mileva Maric. Although mercy killing was not legal in the Austro-Hungarian Empire it was widespread and treated with sympathy. If a court found anyone guilty, it was almost always only a suspended sentence. Nevertheless, the fact a ‘sub-normal’ child was the reason family and relatives would want the matter completely hushed up. This Fourth Theory meets otherwise contradictory elements in the mystery. The other three tail out on examination - that she died of scarlet fever (why no death certificate?), that she was adopted (why no adoption papers or transfer of support money?) or she was put in a home for mentally handicapped infants (again, where? And who did the paying for this?) Phigknotpig (talk) 18:01, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

In fact Tim Symonds has a blog site on this theory. His Fourth Theory on eugenic euthanasia does have references and cannot be so easily dismissed. see -Yohananw (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I am proposing that Pauline Koch, and Hermann Einstein be merged into this article. In both articles, the main claim to significance is being a parent of Albert Einstein. Per WP:PEOPLE, "Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person." The content, in my opinion, does not merit separate articles. Quasihuman | Talk 22:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Merging content now. Content merged. Quasihuman | Talk 20:09, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


I think someone should check the credibility of reference three. That statement, simply put, doesn't make sense. Albert Einstein was born only in 1879, he would definitely not be two by June 1880. He would have been 1 year, three months old. It's in the Maja section. Albert was two(and a half) when Maja was born, a probable reason for the mistake. Small mistake, that's all. Hope you check it out. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


Should we name the living descendants of Einstein? These are Einstein's great grandchildren. Looking at WP:BLPNAME, I don't think that they have a close enough relationship to be named. They were almost all born after Einstein died. Quasihuman | Talk 12:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


i am just curious whether it might be possible that 'lieserl' never actually existed? just an in-joke between spouses? (f.e. harry houdini and his wife fantasized together a whole life for their non-existent son in their letters) Selena1981 (talk) 00:22, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


The Ancestors and Relatives section may need some work. It's only reference is to this tree at Geni, and it doesn't match, starting with the offspring of Moyses and Judith. Probably not the most reliable of sources, and there should be something better that's been published out there. Anyone? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)