Talk:El cant dels ocells

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Reverted "Pau (known as Pablo)" etc.[edit]

I've reverted this edit as unhelpful and with a misleading edit summary, given that it again lacks any consensus; see Talk:Pablo Casals. There may be some use of Pau (known as Pablo) or Pablo (known as Pau) in books, but only in bio context, not in context of this song. Google Books. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:51, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

This message is very misleading. I have given information at Pablo Casals and I have explained that general usage prefers Pablo, whilst usage in direct relation to Catalonia is mixed. I ask editors to take special note of the link given above: it is for a search of the song alongside the term "pau casals". It is obvious that such a search will provide books that use Pau. Out of interest, if one changes Pau to Pablo, more than twice the number of hits are received:

https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=%22el+cant+dels+ocells%22+%22pau+casals%22+song&num=10#q=%22el+cant+dels+ocells%22+%22pablo+casals%22+song&tbm=bks Whilst counting hits is not entirely accurate, it does indicate that there is a problem with the above user's assertion. 131.111.185.66 (talk) 00:04, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes but these aren't sources dealing in context with Catalan culture. The situation remains that if you want to have a blanket ban on all use of the Catalan name in en.wp you'll need to start an RfC to impose such a ban. In the meantime it seems best to continue to use both names on en.wp selectively according to the context of the articles, as recent books do. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:23, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
I did a specific search for Casals and Catalan culture as mentioned on Pablo Casals: two gave Pablo and two gave Pau. You cannot include Pau as a search term and then claim that Pau is the one more commonly used because it comes up most. I do not want a blanket ban on the name. When I recognized there was opposition to the removal of Pau, I changed my edits and included both names, yet you asserted that I should not do this. I thought it would have been preferable for both of us. I am confused why you are now suggesting here that both names should be used on Wikipedia because of your complaints about my attempted compromise. 131.111.185.66 (talk) 00:32, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry but you don't seem to understand how discussion works. You were asked by User:Alexandrecomas "Not to start an edit war, but no consensus has been reached at the Pablo Casals page. Hold off 'til then." - you didn't hold off. Anyway, discussion continues at Talk:Pablo Casals. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
I do understand discussion. Discussion is not asserting that I should not do something without any kind of proper explanation or justification until much later, as you have done. I assumed that my compromise was consensus: Pau was being used as you asked for it to be, whilst Pablo was being included afterwards for clarification, as I recommended. I was very surprised that you still did not think this was appropriate. 131.111.185.66 (talk) 01:07, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

For any interested users, there is currently a request for comments on Talk:Pablo Casals. 131.111.185.66 (talk) 22:53, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Update. The request for comments has been closed and it has been judged by an administrator that Pablo should be used. 86.131.145.4 (talk) 21:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC) This is the same user as 131.111.185.66 (talk), who has relocated since the beginning of this dispute.