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The basic definition of electronics isn't clear from this article. It starts out suggesting that electronic circuits are electrical circuits that contain an active component. However active components include things like batteries, implying that an electronic circuit could be made from a battery and a resistor. A later section then says "Some common electronic components are capacitors, inductors, resistors, diodes, transistors, etc.", suggesting that electronic components don't even need to be active, in which case there's no difference between an electrical circuit and an electronic circuit.

If the distinction of electronics from electrics is to have any meaning, I think it must first define "electronic components" (which somehow includes vacuum tubes and transistors but not batteries) and then define an electronic circuit as an electrical circuit that contains at least one electronic component. ghouston (talk) 23:39, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Fuzzy Electronics sounds like imagination.[edit]

Unless there is actually a produced fuzzy electronics device in existence, shouldn't it be removed from the pillars of electronics section? It would be embarrassing if this is the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:59, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Fuzzy electronics is not mentioned anywhere in this article except in the see also section which is a reasonable place to put it. Existence is not one of our criteria for inclusion; the main ones are notability and verifiability. If such devices don't exist, it is strange that that applications books exist such as Introduction to Applied Fuzzy Electronics and Fuzzy Logic for Embedded Systems Applications. As for an actual example, I am pretty sure that my satnav uses fuzzy logic when plotting routes as it frequently comes up with different routes for exactly the same journey. It does not consider every possible combination of roads, it just stops when it finds one that is good enough. The search term satnav fuzzy logic returns hundreds of scholarly papers. SpinningSpark 14:18, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Please help me understand this. Isn't a model for information processing something else from electronics? There isn't anything physical about the algorithms is there? Isn't that the fuzzy logic? It's seems like it's an application and not physical hardware that enables fuzzy logic. Are there specific fuzzy electronic components that make a device fuzzy? It seems to me like all this fuzziness could occur on microcontroller code alone.

You are arguing here about nothing more than a see also link. The article exists, so it is relevant to have in see also. You can't make it go away by deleting all the links to it. If you want it gone, WP:AFD is the place to discuss that. By the way, I would say that a shot-noise random number generator was an example of hardware fuzzy electronics. I would also say that something doesn't have to be hardware to be electronics in the modern conception of the field. SpinningSpark 17:05, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
It's right there, in the first section after the contents box, listed as a branch of electronics. Following the link, you will find a stub article, including the line No electronic device actually exists that uses fuzzy logic. I agree with unsigned that it doesn't belong there, so I'll boldly remove it. Is fuzzy logic important? Of course. Is it a fundamental branch of electronics? I don't think so. Following your logic (Spinningspark), I could equally argue that cartography is a fundamental topic in electronics because your satnav is an electronic device and it uses maps. That would clearly be nonsense. GyroMagician (talk) 11:43, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm definitely going senile. I was convinced I was looking at the see also section. I agree that it is not a fundamental branch of electronics. That section has a few other problems as well. SpinningSpark 14:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
By the way, the sentence you quoted (about devices not existing) was inserted by the OP at the same time as starting this thread. If true, the article should simply be redirected to fuzzy logic, but I am far from convinced that it is true. SpinningSpark 14:51, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
As I suspected, the OP is talking out of his arse, hardware implementations of fuzzy electronics have been around since the 1980s. I have added some sourced history to the fuzzy electronics article. On that basis, I am going to add the link back to the see also section (but not the branches list) (it's already there). SpinningSpark 16:13, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Your memory is becoming a little fuzzy? ;-) I agree that FL belongs under 'see also', so I think we have this sorted. Good spot on the fuzzy electronics page, and some nice additions. I'll try to look over it when I have time. GyroMagician (talk) 09:41, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

eletronics-microwave — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:47, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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