Talk:Elena Cornaro Piscopia
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Who was the second?
She was the first woman to receive a Ph.D. -- but who was the second, and when?
According to Paul F. Grendler, "Schools, Seminaries, and Catechetical Instruction", in Catholicism in Early Modern History 1500-1700: A Guide to Research, ed. John W. O'Malley (St. Louis: Center for Information Research, 1988), p. 328, Piscopia was "the first known example of a woman" receiving this degree. He then writes, "Unfortunately, no woman followed her for at least seventy years." From context it's unclear if he means that it was another seventy years before any other woman received this degree anywhere, or whether he means it was another seventy years before it happened again at the University of Padua. Does anyone know? — Lawrence King (talk) 02:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Beatriz Galindo (ca 1465-1534) looks like the first. See also Juliana Morell said to have received a doctor of laws degree in 1608, also before Piscopia.CharlesHBennett (talk) 13:31, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
This article is interesting but not very encyclopedic. How can we say : " esteemed throughout Europe for her attainments and virtues" without any kind of references or evidence- what did others say about her? What did she do with this degree? How did people react to a woman having a degree? What, therefore, is the significance of a woman having a degree at this time?
The article states: "The first woman to receive a doctorate degree in the modern era was Stefania Wolicka, from the University of Zurich in 1875".
"[I]n the modern era" is vague. Presumably, it includes at the whole period from the French Revolution onwards. In 1817 the University of Gießen award a doctorate to Charlotte von Siebold (1788-1859), for example - on the basis of a dissertation and public examination ("defence"). It was, however, a doctorate in obstetrics, which was not on the standard list of the university's doctorates. In 1847 the University of Marburg awarded Therese Frei a doctorate in obstetrics, again on the basis of a dissertation. See J C B Gordon, "Formal Honours Awarded to Women by German Universities up to the Middle of the Nineteenth Century" in History of Education Society Bulletin 34 (Autumn 1984), 7-18.
There was also the doctorate in philosophy awarded to Sofia Kovalevskaya by the University of Göttingen in 1874. See the Wikipedia entry on her: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sofia_Kovalevskaya
If one goes back before 1789 there were also the doctorates awarded to: Laura Bassi (Bologna, 1732), Dorothea Erxleben (Halle, 1754) and Dorothea Schlözer (Göttingen, 1787). This last may have been quasi-honorary, but the distinction between honorary and regular degrees had not been formalized at the time. Norvo (talk) 23:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
I corrected the wrong info about "Doctoral degree" and "Advanced degree" in the article. In fact, by the Italian Universities, historically and until a couple of decades ago there was only one academic degree, the so-called laurea. People with this degree got the title of "dottore", but this has nothing to do with the doctoral title as given elsewhere, and is wrong to name it an "advanced" degree. In fact, at the Italian Universities the laurea was the only degree which one could obtain. See the source which I added (the Università di Padova,that is the Alma Mater of Cornaro) about the description of Cornaro's degree. The historical importance of Cornaro lies in the fact that she was the first woman to get an academic degree (NOT a doctorate) worldwide. Alex2006 (talk) 09:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
"Sciblis?" and introductory section
In my opinion the introductory section of this article is a little incoherent; the musical skill is uncited, confusingly mixes her academic achievements with her musical ones, and is too prominent; perhaps it could be moved to her "career." Furthermore is the word "sciblis" known to any experts on this topic? I wonder if it is a typo for Latin "scibilis," a word that can mean "knowable" but I have not found much evidence that this word can be used in the way it is used here. Curtisdozier (talk) 17:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Sciblis isn't a word. It's not on wiktionary, in any language. It's not even in the Scrabble dictionary. All literal links of I searched for led back to this wiki page. One possible meaning: "sciblis": "blis" is an abbreviation for "Bachelor: Library and Information Science", and sci might be an abbreviation of "Science". So if the world Sciblis is meant to be an acronym, it contains a redundancy, and such an acronym certainly wouldn't have been used in Piscopia's time. Perhaps the apposite word is "syllabus": "she completed the syllabus, and graduated." crf (talk) 19:21, 26 July 2016 (UTC)