Talk:Elise Kutscherra de Nyss

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Name[edit]

I think the recent move from Elise de Nys Kutscherra to Elise Kutschera de Nysz was flawed. There are no sources that spell her surname with only 1 "r", Kutschera, except at as an alternative spelling in the Bayerisches Musiker-Lexikon Online (BMLO). The name of her husband is also unclear. "Nyß" and "Nysz"" are unlikely for a Dutch (or Belgian) name; "Nys" is a common Belgian name, which is possible. I suggest to move the article to Elise Kutscherra de Nys or, to be consistent with DE Wikipedia, to Elise Kutscherra de Nyß, or, because she appeared in New York as just as Kutscherra, to Elise Kutscherra.

Other problems with this article are the inconsistencies between it and the DE article. Here, we have her born in Prague in 1872 and no year of death; at de:Elise Kutscherra de Nyß, she's born in 1867 in Berlin and died in 1945 in Vienna, probably based on her BMLO entry. There's an apparently comprehensive bibliography at http://musicsack.com/PersonFMTDetail.cfm?PersonPK=100074439, but I don't have access (nor time and inclination) to those publications. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:40, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to it being moved back to the previous form of entry.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 11:04, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are many possible names. In the end, I decided on Elise Kutscherra de Nyss as the most likely, although Elise Kutscherra de Nyß is well supported by sources, but nobody in the Dutch-speaking world is named "de Nyß" (her husband). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 15:21, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tangled[edit]

I picked this article up from the November 2011 Orphan list and was able to succesfully de-Orphan it. After more than 10 years on the list! So I had to do a bit of research. Turns out that Ms Kutscherra herself was not consistent regarding name, place and date of birth. There is a birth certificate from Berlin, May 10th, 1865 which I think is the only correct date. Ms Kutscherra herself uses the Prague 1872 place and date of birth on passenger lists and naturalization records but that is not consistent with her career path. It is highly unlikely she made her debut at the tender age of 13, especially since newspaper clippings at the time make no mention of a child prodigy. She changed residence and tried to change nationality quite often. Quite a challenge to untangle this contradictory set of source materials. Please help.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:17, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]