Talk:Emilia Clarke

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Brother is older, not younger.[edit]

Source 91.10.15.123 (talk) 17:23, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Photo[edit]

@Krimuk2.0: Could you elaborate to what you meant by What? in the revert of my edit please. 86.170.13.28 (talk) 12:00, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Ancestry[edit]

So why is it that Johnny Depp having one African ancestor from freaking 1612 warrants a American people of African descent category on his page, yet Emilia's grandmother, whom she was actually alive to know, the grandmother she was named after, the grandmother she went to India to scatter her ashes for, is too "distant" to note that she has some Indian ancestry that she confirmed herself? smh, y'all are so illogical.... Trillfendi (talk) 17:26, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Date of Birth[edit]

The only source that has an exact date is celebsnow.co.uk, HBO source is a deadlink, toofab.com doesn't exactly give an exact date, just said that the wiki article had it wrong before. Are any of the links reliable? Govvy (talk) 22:24, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Didn't see the old archived talk, seems unclear, so many sources with different dates, heh, it does seem pretty unclear. Govvy (talk) 22:33, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
@Govvy: Sorry for not making clear that the birthdate had been discussed previously. As you have now realised this is a confusing issue and what we may normally call reliable sources contradict each other. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:19, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Sourced now with Baltimore Sun. Rusted AutoParts 22:36, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
I clicked on the link and got this "Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism." Govvy (talk) 22:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Screencap Rusted AutoParts 01:22, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
@Rusted AutoParts: This Tweet disagrees with the day of birth with no comment on the month or year. I am grateful for your efforts but could you please remove the birthday? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:19, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
That tweet is really confusing, official British government documents gave a year and month, but we can't use those as sources. The only source that seems remotely helpful might be celebsnow.co.uk that is the only website giving an exact full DoB that matches anything close, yet we need to establish if that is a reliable source to use. Govvy (talk) 01:12, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Govvy Celebsnow is absolutely not a reliable source. It's akin to the Enquirer. It's a tabloid. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 02:23, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Then Emir was probably right in removing the DoB, all those sources should be removed also, leaving a source that is deemed unreliable with DoB wasn't helpful. Govvy (talk) 12:42, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
How about this article in Elle? --Count Count (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
I would say that Elle magazine has a much better reputation than most. Govvy (talk) 13:39, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for finding that Count Count. I would say that is a good enough source for the article. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:27, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I stripped out the other citations and replaced with the Elle one. Govvy (talk) 17:35, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Govvy. This article now has the correct birthdate. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:37, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Cheers, Sorry about earlier btw, but now I look back on it, there were too many citations, it was like that analogy, too many cooks spoil the broth, too many citations could confuse the reader, etc. Hopefully we can keep the article clean and precise. Govvy (talk) 18:20, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Don't know if this is still an issue but I was watching "Solo: A Star Wars Story Cast Answer the Web's Most Searched Questions - WIRED" (Wikipedia flags the link as being blacklisted likely just YouTube in general, but it is easily Googlable and at s5m20s) with Emilia Clarke and she says 23. October. At least she backs up the Elle date so you have that.--Óli Gneisti (talk) 20:38, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── For the record, we have extensively discussed how to relay her birth date before; see Talk:Emilia Clarke/Archive 1#Correct her birthdate. Sources disagreeing is an issue. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Lead image[edit]

The Optimistic One, this is a poor lead image. We try to avoid a lead image of the subject making a facial expression such as that. We want the subject's face to be neutral or for the subject to be smiling. Newer is not always better for images. Yes, Clarke dyed her hair blond, and the image showcases that, but it's still a poor lead image. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:15, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@Flyer22 Reborn: It does appear that her mouth is open in the photo but whether it's a facial expression or not is debatable. The Optimistic One (talk) 04:23, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure what type of argument you are making. "[W]hether it's a facial expression or not is debatable"? Huh? I'll leave a message about this at MOS:IMAGES, WP:BIOGRAPHY and WP:TV for more opinions. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:26, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
@Flyer22 Reborn: How about this? File:Emilia Clarke -- Dom Hemingway 07.jpg. The Optimistic One (talk) 04:29, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
@Flyer22 Reborn: Sorry! What I meant to say is that whether it should be used or not is debatable. The image is far from poor. It's good enough to stay, IMO. The Optimistic One (talk) 04:55, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Ditto – that's a good headshot. --IJBall (contribstalk) 04:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment @AlexTheWhovian: Her eyes can't be seen that great in that other photo. Personally, I'm not a fan of it. The Optimistic One (talk) 04:58, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • To my surprise, that video is in the CC-BY, and so there's at least 30 sec more of images of Clarke from that. There's some even in the first second that look fine. She's a very animated speaker so when she's talking she does have odd expressions but she is still for some of it. Also keep in mind that several images of her on Flickr in the CC-BY licensing from previous SDCC appearances. --Masem (t) 06:42, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

I really am not sure about this image, one it looks horrible!! And two, it looks like a screen grab from a TV interview and surely who ever filmed the interview holds the copyright, so isn't this image WP:copyvio?? Govvy (talk) 11:43, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Just as an aside, although the image is declared as cc-by and appears to have been checked by an admin I cant see anything on the original video page on youtube that shows any license info. How did they know it was CC-BY ? MilborneOne (talk) 13:11, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
I had another look at the image saw the link to YouTube, MilborneOne it says "Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed)". (MTV International). I still prefer the older image, not very keen on this new image. Govvy (talk) 14:51, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Apology I didnt see the "see more" link where it was. I am sure we can find a better image evn if it is taken from the same video. MilborneOne (talk) 17:26, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Govvy, yeah, I was also thinking that it's a screenshot, despite the licensing. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Fine with the current stripy top one - recent, good likeness, & I for one don't have a problem with women opening their mouths. Johnbod (talk) 15:07, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Johnbod, since I am also a woman, I don't have a problem with women opening their mouths either. Let's not make this into a sexism issue. I would feel the same if it was a lead image of a man making that expression. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Can I make a request? If the current picture is taken off, can we please keep the previous one gone as well. Personally, I'm not a big fan of it, her smile is awkward and her eyes can barely be seen. It's far worse than the current photo. The Optimistic One (talk) 15:57, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

The Optimistic One, we should be attempting to choose the best lead image. While preference is a part of editors' commentary in this discussion, a rationale such as an awkward smile is subjective. Stating that Clarke's expression in the image you added is not neutral and is an atypical expression for a lead image is objective. Like we did at the Scarlett Johansson talk page, as seen at Talk:Scarlett Johansson/Archive 6#Request for comment on lead image, we could start a WP:RfC and line up pictures to choose from. But let's wait and see if others have anything to state. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
@Flyer22 Reborn: Yes! A WP:RfC with multiple pictures to choose from sounds great! We'll wait and see how this one pans out. The Optimistic One (talk) 04:45, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Emilia Clarke smiles with all 32 of her teeth half the time and squints, that’s just her personality, I don’t see how it’s awkward. If you’re focused on wanting her to look beautiful then there’s this one.Trillfendi (talk) 22:19, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Support previous image New one just looks awful (probably because of her facial expression). Also, if readers want a look at a new photo of her, there's one from earlier this year further down in the article. TedEdwards 21:35, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Support previous image Could be the lipstick! Looks way too strong!! But I preferred the previous image also if we are going in that direction. Govvy (talk) 21:39, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

I think we should change the image... Put one of Qi'ra or Daenerys Loki Hunt (talk) 10:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@Loki Hunt: We can't put in an image of Qi'ra or Daenerys, as the image wouldn't be free, and would therefore breach WP:NFCC#1, as another photo of Emilia Clarke, which would be free, is available. TedEdwards 12:17, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
@TedEdwards: How about this? File:Emilia Clarke -- Dom Hemingway 07.jpg. The Optimistic One (talk) 19:15, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Well, I can't see any reason to change the image and I don't know what's wrong with the previous one. That said, I don't particularly mind this image if it had to change, but I would prefer it if the picture was more focused on her face, we don't need to see the pen or the cop. Btw The Optimistic One, in case you didn't know, if you were trying to make a wikilink to the file, put a colon in front of it like [[:File:Emilia Clarke -- Dom Hemingway 07.jpg]] to get File:Emilia Clarke -- Dom Hemingway 07.jpg TedEdwards 19:26, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
The Optimistic One, WP:Consensus is clearly against the image you added. Because of that and WP:ONUS stating that "the onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content," I think you should restore the status quo version. Or Govvy or someone else should. You have not convinced us to go with that poor image. Of course, an RfC can still be started on this matter, but the status quo should be restored first. On a side note: Since this page is on my watchlist, I prefer not to be pinged to this talk page for replies on this. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 23:32, 18 September 2018 (UTC)