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Vilijampolė[edit]

@Victorgrigas: The citation for "Emma Goldman's Orthodox Jewish family lived in Vilijampolė" seems a bit weak. The only reference to Goldman that I could find on that page is that she's included in a long list of people that presumably lived in Kaunas, although it doesn't say that she lived in Vilijampolė (as likely as that may be). Also the webpage seems to be a self-published source, which are generally not accepted on Wikipedia, especially in a featured article. Kaldari (talk) 03:57, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Goldman's family lived in Vilijampolė?[edit]

In this edit, Victorgrigas added to the article that Goldman's family lived in Vilijampolė. He cited this source. Aside from the fact that it may not be a reliable source, I don't see how it supports the assertion that Goldman's family lived in Vilijampolė. The only thing it says about Goldman is that she was from Kovno.

It says that historically, Jews had an easier time living in Vilijampolė than in Kovno proper, but it also says:

After the failed Polish rebellion in 1831, the Russian administration improved its treatment of the Jewish residents in Lithuania. Nothing was changed in the books, but they allowed the Jews to settle in all parts of the city ...
On one occasion, the Russian czar crossed Kovno and was shocked to find it in such neglected condition. The explanation offered for this neglect by the governor of the region was that the cause of this was the limitation of the rights of the Jews to buy real estate. The Czar wanted to receive detailed information about the issue and in 1846, he received detailed documents, which contained an appendix asking him to cancel all the restrictions imposed upon the Jews. ... Upon reading the recommendation of the minister of the region and the general governor, the Czar cancelled in 1858 all the limitations placed upon the Jews of Vilna. In reality, all of these limitations were cancelled in 1864.

So by the time Emma Goldman's sisters were born (Helena in 1860 and Lena in 1862), there were no legal restrictions on where in Kovno Jews could live, and de facto, Jews had been free to live in the city itself for a generation.

Can one conclude, then, whether the Jewish Goldman family lived in Kovno or in Vilijampolė? I don't think we can using this source. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

I'd say feel free to remove the claim I added into the article, it's weak. In the meantime, does anyone want to help me find any sources that might better specify where exactly she was from? Kovno/Kaunas is a big enough city to have different neighborhoods/areas and the government of these areas in the 19th century could be of interest to anyone reading her biography? Victor Grigas (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Somebody in Lithuania may have searched old city directories, but as far as I know that information hasn't been published (or if it has been, it isn't widely known). The latest significant biography of Goldman, Sasha and Emma: The Anarchist Odyssey of Alexander Berkman and Emma Goldman (2012) by Paul Avrich and Karen Avrich, merely says that she was born in Kovno, moved to Popelan as a child, to Konigsberg in 1876, and to St. Petersburg in 1881. Goldman's autobiography, Living My Life, is rich in details about her life in New York City and later but vague about where she lived in Europe, perhaps because she moved so much and came to the U.S. when she was 16. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Category removals[edit]

@Ser Amantio di Nicolao: Not sure why Category:American women writers and Category:Lithuanian writers were removed. Could you explain? Kaldari (talk) 18:30, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Kaldari: The article is now in the categories Category:20th-century American women writers and Category:20th-century Lithuanian writers. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:43, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Ah, makes sense! Thanks! Kaldari (talk) 20:54, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
@Kaldari: Any time! --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:59, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

No source for picture caption[edit]

Hello. I edited a photo caption on this page, removing some unsourced puff, but it I was reverted. Here's a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emma_Goldman&curid=9764&diff=858571097&oldid=858570712. Please comment. Thanks so much. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:03, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

You deleted a portion of the caption—that Goldman's image, "often accompanying a popular paraphrase of her ideas—"If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution"—has been reproduced on countless walls, garments, stickers, and posters as an icon of freedom"—allegedly because it had no source. I reverted you, and my edit summary was pretty clear: "Look at the article text". The paragraph beside the image says: In 1970, Dover Press reissued Goldman's biography, Living My Life, and in 1972, feminist writer Alix Kates Shulman issued a collection of Goldman's writing and speeches, Red Emma Speaks. These works brought Goldman's life and writings to a larger audience, and she was in particular lionized by the women's movement of the late 20th century. In 1973, Shulman was asked by a printer friend for a quotation by Goldman for use on a T-shirt. She sent him the selection from Living My Life about "the right to self-expression, everybody's right to beautiful, radiant things", recounting that she had been admonished "that it did not behoove an agitator to dance".[1] The printer created a statement based on these sentiments that has become one of Goldman's most famous quotations, even though she probably never said or wrote it as such: "If I can't dance I don't want to be in your revolution."[2] Variations of this saying have appeared on thousands of T-shirts, buttons, posters, bumper stickers, coffee mugs, hats, and other items.[1] — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:46, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b Wexler, Exile, p. 1.
  2. ^ Shulman, Alix Kates. "Dances with Feminists". Women's Review of Books, Vol. IX, #3. December 1991. Retrieved on February 16, 2017.

Category overkill[edit]

I removed some mother categories that lower-level categories would feed into. This list seems like category overkill.Parkwells (talk) 15:04, 10 September 2018 (UTC)