Talk:Emmanuel Joseph Sieyès

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Introductory paragraph[edit]

I have flagged this for a neutrality review because I think some of the wording is potentially misleading. What does the bit about "spoke the language of democracy" mean? This implies a clear bias towards the motivations of Sieyés' actions. As a relatively new member of the editing community, I'd appreciate input on what might be done to rectify this. I'm a high school student studying the French Revolution in a larger survey course, and am interested in learning more about this issue. Posted Feb 11th 2009. renaissanceboy (talk) 02:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

That's a good point User:Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I removed the NPOV flag because the language in question is no longer in the article. (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

vécu / survécu[edit]

What is the basis for changing J'ai vécu to J'ai survécu? I've always seen the former; Google search on Sieyès "J'ai vécu" vs. Sieyès "J'ai vécu"' gives 348 to 7; is there some solid source to claim that this is widely misquoted, and seldom quoted correctly? Or was someone just translating back from the common English translation to the closest French? -- Jmabel | Talk 04:31, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


No mention of how he died or where.

I added a few words at the end. --Cam 00:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

1st Estate?[edit]

I'm confused. In the section concerning Sieyes' early life it says that despite being influence by the enlightenment he was ordained into priesthood. If this is true, does that mean that Sieyes was a member of the First Estate(the clergy)? And if so, would this be important enough to include in this article? Cbrenz 08:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

He would, indeed, have been legally a member of the First Estate, but he ran and was elected as a representative of the Third. - Jmabel | Talk 02:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that should be re-worded as it implies that despite being influenced by a source of knowledge, he became a priest. -- (talk) 23:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Better Quotation?[edit]

I feel this quotation in my History textbook better demonstrates Sieyes' intentions and feelings.

"What then is the Third Estate? All. But an 'all' that is fettered and oppressed. What would it be without the privileged order? It would be all; but free and flourishing. Nothing will go well without the Third Estate; everything would go considerably better without the two others."

Helios Entity 2 23:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Napolean Bonaparte[edit]

There is no mention of Sieyes in the coup d'état of 18 Brumaire article, and since no reference is given for this "fact" I am deleting it until there is proper citation. (talk) 16:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

First name[edit]

Moved from Emmanuel-Joseph Sieyès to Emmanuel Joseph Sieyès. Emmanuel Joseph Sieyès is the most common name given in the references; only the 1911 EB uses the hyphenated form. Further, the unhyphenated form is credited more than twice as often as the hyphenated on GoogleBooks and Worldcat searches. SteveStrummer (talk) 20:43, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Birth Date[edit]

I believe his date of birth is incorrect in this article.. according to one of the sources cited throughout this article (Van Deusen) the date is in fact cited as March 3 not May 3. AqilHC (talk) 20:38, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Mistakes in Education Subsection[edit]

In the education subsection, it is stated that Sieyes was ordained priest in 1772 but when I check back "Sieyes: His Life and His Nationalism" it said he was ordained priest in 1773. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csouc002 (talkcontribs) 20:17, 24 March 2017 (UTC)