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This article must be cut down and be given a broader tone. The problem isn't necessarily that Enoch Powell isn't an important enough figure to "merit" a long article, its that no attempt has been made to condense his life and opinions. The section on his period as a Unionist MP is the most egregious. It's nearly 6000 words long and does nothing but list his speeches and writings; On this day he said this, on that day he wrote that in this paper, and when this happened he had this opinion of it. There's practically nothing about his activities in gov't or relations with other politicians, and whatever there is is swamped by the rest. If another politician like Thatcher were given the same treatment the article would be longer than her own autobiography. We need someone with expertise in this subject to take an editorial attitude and summarize and highlight the major points about his life and career.theBOBbobato (talk) 16:41, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
The place for a summary is in the introduction, and the problem with chopping material out of articles is that you never know what somebody else is going to find interesting or useful - there's nothing more irritating than going back to an article and finding something you added has been deleted by someone who "doesn't see why that's important", or has been chopped out by some "editor" who has ended up snipping beyond his knowledge and competence.
The comparison with Thatcher is not an exact one because she was in government for most of her career so a lot of her actions are tied up with the history of, say, economic policy or the poll tax. Powell had a much more varied career, starting with his early academic and military careers which are interesting in their own right. Very little of his career was actually spent in government, and his period of major influence was when he held great sway over public opinion from 1968 to the mid-1970s. He continued to be an important figure in the late 1970s because the Callaghan government was dependent on the Ulster MPs for its majority. He was basically a loner so his "relations with other politicians" are generally less important than his speeches and writings.
I don't entirely disagree that there's far too much direct quotation of his views on current events from about 1983 onwards when he had become a peripheral and somewhat batty figure, no longer having much real influence on events but often churning out clever-sounding quotes or newspaper article. His views were by then often quite silly once you penetrated beneath the intellectual veneer, like when he claimed that John Major was preempting the Royal Prerogative by putting himself up for reelection as Tory Leader in 1995. Some of these lengthy quotes could probably be summarised without much loss of substance.Paulturtle (talk) 12:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
Well the thing was that despite not being in power he was still a prominent figure, that alone is reason to for merit, for example his stance on the EEC was credited with causing Heath to lose the election that he was previously winning, quite significant influence for just a backbencher, so while you may not agree with his views (batty? you clearly are not commenting from a neutral viewpoint), or have a strong dislike for him by saying his views were quite silly (he was a professor at age 25, so I think he is likely much more intelligent then you are!), you should not seek to minimize the wiki page describing him. He was very industrious hence there is a vast amount of material that should be devoted to him, his economic theories for example became the core of the Thatcher government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch r stanton (talk • contribs) 00:32, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
If you take the trouble to read my comments more closely you will see that I expressed neither like nor dislike for him, and wrote that he does deserve full and detailed coverage of his early academic and military careers and especially the period when he was a politician of first rank importance, between the late 1960s and 1979. However, I wrote that the coverage of his views on this, that and the other from about 1983 onwards, when he was no longer an important figure, are probably covered in a bit too much detail, although personally I prefer not to cut stuff out of articles unless it is plain wrong. As is not uncommon in people of extreme intellect (the chess player Bobby Fischer springs to mind), a lot of Powell's views did become increasingly eccentric as he grew older, e.g. that the CIA had assassinated Lord Mountbatten. I described his view of the 1995 Tory Leadership election as "silly" (that Major was breaching the Royal Prerogative by having himself reelected as Party Leader) which if anything is a fairly mild description - former professors of Ancient Greek are as capable as any other member of the human race of writing foolish and ill-informed things outside their own area of specialism.Paulturtle (talk) 13:20, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
I do not know how to put medal ribbon symbols onto Wikipedia, but editors who can, note that he would not have been awarded the Burma Star without also being awarded the 1939-45 Star.Cloptonson (talk) 19:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I suppose that Ms Luce was not referring to the independence of the Native American Indians when making this absurd statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamour (talk • contribs) 21:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Indeed. An aspect of American hypocrisy forgotten now that we are good anti-imperialists, but much made by British commentators at the time. That said, we were just as self-righteous in our dealings with French and German colonies as the Americans were with us.MissingMia (talk) 23:34, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
And yet Powell was in no hurry to get his British backside out of Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 08:47, 18 May 2014 (UTC)