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estate management[edit]

need research on estate management/valuation relating to estate management.

This does not sound appropropriate to environmental science. --Alan Liefting 07:41, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Edits need justification[edit]

I put in a new form of this article three weeks ago. Since then it has been progressively shortened. Some of the edits appear to be positive. Other have removed important parts of the article. Pleae report your edits here in the future, along with justifications. Where..here??


Content[edit]

Sorry folks but this whole article is unfocussed, mixes politics and science irrationally, repeats what is already better explained in other articles and is, in part, simply wrong. I would vote for starting again and would suggest the following starting point.

Environmental Science is a term used to describe all those scientific activities associated with the understanding of the natural environment and the anthropengenic impacts upon it. Environmental scientists can therefore be found in a wide range of displines including Ecology, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Geography, Geology, Meteorology as well as the very many derived disciplines such as Limnology, Geomorphology, palaeontology etc.
The new understandings that Environmental scientists provide can often lead to difficult political decisions for society as it tries to balance the benefits of a sustainable natural environment against the need for food, housing and growth. The role of the environmental scientist remains that of providing scientifically verifiable advice and highligting the environmental consequences of proposed political courses of action.

Velela 09:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Note also the presence of an earlier version which may be acceptable: [1] --Stemonitis 12:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree - let's go with that. Do you want to do the revert? Melancholia 14:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Consider it done. --Stemonitis 14:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

It was Theresa who make all thise writing she is a grade 5 student who study in spring field raffles hill

Yeah, nice job with the inapproriate melee...just edit next time. Editing works better. Thank you, I will be re-adding something. Have a nice day! - Hard Raspy Sci 14:54, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
i have done a major rewrite on Environmental science and it still needs further work; at least now it is focussed and accurate Anlace 02:24, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

This is a Wiki entry that disappoints me. It seems there may have been too many chiefs trying to run the show. The limitations of the Wiki concept are seen here, glaring back at us. It would help to watch your spelling on this page, too (I think). Dare I write a new introductory sentence? The current one is awkward and neglects mention of social science, an integral component of env. science. Copy editing of capital words also needed in introduction. Pictures? Needs images, much more content...Jack B108 (talk) 23:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

A reference to "Miller, 1994" was recently added to the lead sentence, yet this full citation is not provided to the reader. Please give full details in "References". Jack B108 (talk) 20:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Environmental science template[edit]

I don't think that template is appropriate for this article if its purpose is to list environmental technologies which are actually more Civil Engineering than Environmental Sciences.

The other obvious thing about this is article is that it's singler. I think we should be talking about 'Environmental Sciences' of which there are many, rather than this singler thing which is poorly defined. This point is reinforced by the fact that you start talking about subcategories of this 'science' which are infact sciences themselves! ;-) Also, whoever wrote 'Atmospheric sciences' in this article can't really disagree with me. Supposed 06:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


--- Ummm, actually, the discipline has a name - Environmental Science. Google it. I graduated in it. "We" aren't inventing that one. And you´re right, whoever said Atmospheric Sciences can't argue with you, because that's invented bologna which should have been atmospheric chemistry, or meterology, or whatever discipline they thought they were talking about.

Oh no to be honest I agree with you, I was being abit pedantic. hehe. I also graduated in environmental sciences and from a top 10 uni :-). Environmental Science is collection and integration of Environmental Science{s} but even then that isn't always true. The term seems to be banded around to describe anything that's Environmental, infact, some of the subjects I studied weren't even sciences but they were environmental, they weren't all based on scientific method. So you didn't graduate in 'Environmental Science' or 'Science(s)' in the way someone of physics would graduate in Physics. Don't you find it a little troubling that some 'Environmental Science' isn't even scientific? It's not a very good name for this discipline. Supposed 10:45, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Scientific method[edit]

"but also applies knowledge from other non-scientific studies such as economics, law and social sciences."

However,

social sciences tend to emphasize the use of the scientific method in the study of humanity,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_sciences

I'm troubled because the first quote looks like a reference to the social sciences on the whole.

The point is, this study - environmental science - sometimes incoporate studies that don't necessarily use scientific method. JHJPDJKDKHI! 16:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Earth Science[edit]

Is Environmental science considered a discipline within the broad field of Earth science? It seems reasonable that it should be, at least to me, as Oceanography (a comparably multi-discipline field) is listed as part of Earth science. Just wondering. Thanks. — RJH (talk) 16:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Anybody? Hello? Knock-knoc k... — RJH (talk) 21:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

No it is not considered a discipline of Earth Science. They are taught as to distinct topics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smoke pond (talkcontribs) 15:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Re-working[edit]

I'm going to be working on this article some in the next couple weeks, I think it would really benefit from a tightening/focusing Gcolive 02:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Environmental technology template[edit]

I'd like to replace the Environmental technology template with one that matches the standard navbox style, i.e. horizontal instead of vertical, collapsing and typically placed at the bottom of article pages. I've done a mock up of what this would look like at {{User:Jwanders/ET}}. Figured this was a big enough change that I should post before going ahead with it. Please discuss here--jwandersTalk 21:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Proposed External Link[edit]

Hello to anyone interested in ES. I am seeking to list an external link with out running afoul of WP rules. The site consists of screened summaries of recent ES related research, policy, and news from specialized journals and many other sources. The justification for this site is that it would be impossible for anyone to stay informed on all the journals and news sources covered therein and it would be useful to have an RSS feed on the subject and its correlates. I believe that this site is extremely useful for everyone in the ES community, but then again I am also its editor and publisher. Since this disqualifies me from self-listing the site as an external link, I am asking for anyone to have a look and then add the external link. Here is the link html which can be copied and pasted directly into the external link editing window: Environmental Science and Policy: http://envsci.xyvy.info I appreciate your consideration. Utopian100, MPA-JD, Environmental Science and Policy Utopian100 (talk) 11:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

this article is a joke as it currently stands[edit]

This article is a joke as it currently stands.

The history is incomplete. INterest in Environmental science is much older than NEPA. The topic goes back at least to the Greeks. There are significant environmental writings in the Moslem Golden Ages, and there are significant American writings and thoughts from the 19th century.

This article appears to be written by masters students at a school for environmental science who have reduced the subject to an abstract of some of their classes and the program definition of the science.

I do not have time to fix any of this now, but I do suggest that the definition at the beginning be restricted to the impact of humans on the enviornment and the impacts of the environment on humans.

I have visited this page regularly over the last 3 years and it has been completely changed each time. I find this distressing, as most of the additions and deletions are not justified, reasonable, or directly related to anything I would call environmental science. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Primacag (talkcontribs) 16:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

It's also very USA centric. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.34.190 (talk) 13:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I mostly concur. It isn't a joke because it isn't funny, but this article does not describe Environmental science as I understand it - and I worked as an environmental scientist for nearly 40 years. I would also agree that it is extraordinarily US based. This article is also about the science (or rather it should be ) and not the scientists and their expectations of a career. I would (and possibly might) delete the whole section about careers. It is also endlessly repetetetive - I just got bored with reading that this applies to air, water, soil (or sediment) etc. etc. Let's get that out in the introduction and assume that readers can remember that much as they read the rest. But there is far too much on the categorisation of different types of environmental science (does anybody care about that ?) and far too little on why we do it and what the outcomes might be. Some of the stated outcomes are just plain wrong. Restore ecosystems - really ? Only if they are damaged and that is the best environmental, political and/or socially acceptable option - Environmental scientists are not the unthinking mouthpieces of the Conserve at all costs faction, they should rather be providing balanced advice to the community, politicians, industry whoever on the issues observed and recorded and the opportunities for moving forward and they should be doing that by presenting well researched data based on good observation and experiment and then presenting opportunities based on sound and well tried experience. Velela (talk) 23:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

terminology[edit]

This section doesn't seem to have any point. Ecology is a disciplin with Environmental Science, as discussed in the secon section of the article. The text in terminology is incorrect and pointless. Remove? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smoke pond (talkcontribs) 16:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

It was a little odd and poorly phrased, so I cleaned it up. However, it is easy to confuse the disciplines of ecology and environmental science, and they are often mistaken for the same thing, so I think it's valuable to have a guide for people to be able to tell the difference. Wevets (talk) 05:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Article Development[edit]

Dear Wikipedia Community, As a scientist and Wikipedia enthusiast, I am deeply disappointed towards the obvious lack of development in this article. It requires a re-write as well as the addition of lots of necessary new sections. Armed with an environmental science textbook as well as the greatest resource of mankind (search engines and the internet), I intend to revise this article. I hope that I do not face much opposition in my endeavor. Good editing, Rifasj123 (talk) 04:49, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Just don't make it worse and you won't get any resistance. :) danielkueh (talk) 17:13, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Well? Rifasj123, where's the new content? This is such a rich subject that, yes, this article is a bit disappointing. DDT pesticide bans, lead in gasoline, coal mines, urban 'heat sinks', desertification, global warming, Great Plains of the U.S. aquifer depletion, heavy-metal tuna; the list of issues is vast & entertaining. Jack B108 (talk) 22:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)