Talk:Erinyes

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Inspiration for the brides of Dracula, perhaps? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.23.183 (talkcontribs) 05:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

What does "Erinyes" mean in Greek?[edit]

What does "Erinyes" mean in Greek? Also, what is the singular form? "Erinye"? 83.95.193.113 17:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

The Greek singular form is ̓Ερινύς (Erinys)- in modern Greek the singular form is Ερινύα-, and the word translates roughly to "Murky, Dark, Misty". The Latin names for them are a bit more explicit: Furiae ("Rage, Madness, Fury") and Dirae ("Ill-Omened, Forboding"). -Silence 17:56, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Newton's Third Law removal[edit]

I've removed the link to Newton's Third Law (the law of reciprocal actions). Although I appreciate the metaphor inherent in the link (the Erinyes enact vengeance, i.e., are the force of reciprocity), unless there is a good reason to include Newtonian physics, I submit that it has little to do with this article. If someone chooses to re-add the link, please accompany with explanatory text; otherwise it seems very out-of-left-field. Ryan McDaniel 16:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Psychological Trauma?[edit]

I removed the links in "See also" to the articles on psychological trauma and post traumatic stress disorder as they are entirely unrelated. Anyone planning on re-linking them please include an explination as to why. I'd like to remind you that the erinyes are mythological and, in mythology, afflict wrong doers with punishment. Context and direct connection aside (which clearly favor the removale of these links) PTSD and psychological trauma most commonly afflict the victim of such acts, and as such are unrelated even remotely. (FossaFerox 06:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC))

Stop the Madness![edit]

Does anyone else agree that the "Erinyes in popular culture" section in this article is getting bloated and silly? For Pete's sake, the article has more writing there than in the rest of the article. And so far as I can tell, the only qualification for mention is that a song / video game / TV ad uses the word "fury" at least once. If there is no outcry, I propose to delete it all in a few days. Mlouns 05:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

And while I'm at it, the "Erinyes in later culture" looks uninformative and ripe for deletion as well. The Sartre reference probably belongs in the Oresteia article, and the rest are mostly just one-line cites. Mlouns 05:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Last call -- If I don't hear a protest, the whole pop culture section is going very soon. Mlouns 06:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
You might want to put a reference to the Sandman series ninth volume 'The Kindly Ones'. There are several references to the Furies in other volumes as well - in the second Desire says "I'll bring the kindly ones down on your head" and one of the offshoot mini series' is about the furies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.87.130 (talk) 06:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I have added it to the article (without reading this discussion first), but I think they are the main subject of the book, they are even it its name (the kindly ones), altough they are merged with other mythological figures, but I think it is important enough to at least mention it in the article... --Have a nice day. Running 01:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

editing glitch[edit]

the box that has links to other things it says greek mythology on the top of it well it's over the text and you can't read the first few sentences of this page i don't know how to fix it but someone should —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlieh7337 (talkcontribs) 00:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Merging Pages[edit]

Is it necessary to have seperate articles for the Erinyes as well as one for each one? suzumebachi٭secret~ ~ ~ 18:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Meaning of Alecto[edit]

This page states that the name Alecto means "unceasing", yet her page states that it means "the implacable". Which is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.14.51 (talk) 21:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Lost Information[edit]

After the spam edit on 04:04, 30 September 2009 a whole chunk was lost, but never got restored. it looks like some of the other references have changed, though, could someone check that out and restore it? 67.161.246.72 (talk) 02:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Bullfinch, bull... well, you get the idea[edit]

I have removed a piece of careless misquotation from the article. The "legend" recounted about the Furies here is actually from the 18th century German writer Friedrich Schiller's poem "The Cranes of Ibycus." If you still think it worthy to cite the poem then excellent, but Schiller should get the credit.

It has some of the most hauntingly melodic German I've ever read:

in schwarzer Mantel schlägt die Lenden,

Sie schwingen in entfleischten Händen

Der Fackel düsterrote Glut,

In ihren Wangen fließt kein Blut.

Und wo die Haare lieblich flattern,

Um Menschenstirnen freundlich wehn,

Da sieht man Schlangen hier und Nattern

Die giftgeschwollenen Bäuche blähn.


At any rate you can read more over on the German Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.25.183 (talk) 05:19, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

logic question[edit]

In reference to the play, it states that by giving the 'Furies' red robes it thus ends the red color scheme of the play. That strikes me as counterintuitive. Chznarles (talk) 11:12, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Parentage[edit]

This article says that "According to a variant account, they emerged from an even more primordial level—from Nyx, "Night"." Who is the source of this account exactly?

ICE77 (talk) 14:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

According to Aeschylus the Erinyes are the daughters of Night (Eumenides 321) see this gbook preview, theoi, translation of Eemenides line 321 -France3470 (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Let's add this source to the article then.

ICE77 (talk) 22:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC))

Sartre, Les mouches[edit]

In "Les mouches" by Sartre (loose adaptation of Sophocles' "Elektra"), the Erinyes are personified by flies (hence the title, meaning "the flies" in French). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.230.30.143 (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Comment to: Have you read about the Seraphim? They can be found in the Book of Isaiah. Furies, Fates or Hesperides? Isaiah, Hesiod or Virgil? FUSTER1965 (talk) 18:02, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Ἐρινύες, A. K. A...[edit]

The page states that the Erinyes were also sometimes known as χθόνιαι θεαί. While I see where they get the adjective χθόνιος, it seems to me that this is a modern concept whereas the Greek terminology implies that we are dealing with an ancient name for the Erinyes. Furthermore, the general term for goddess in Greek would be ἡ θεός, not θεά/θεή, so as it stands now I would say that, given the unusual form of the name, it either needs a direct citation from an ancient author referring to them as such, or that the alternative name should be deleted. Does anybody know where the A.K.A. has come from/who can provide it with the correct reference?

Niels van der Salm (talk) 20:04, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Section for origin myth?[edit]

I'm not sure whether the origin myth, currently in the heading of the article should deserve its own section, it would require some significant reformatting. I might do it if I don't get a response in the next couple of days. GrassHopHer (talk) 19:32, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

When were they "first" called the Eumenides?[edit]

Aeschylus's Oresteia is by consensus dated up to 80 years before Euripides's Orestes. The third play of the trilogy is titled Eumenides. In this third play itself, most of the events take place that are described in the second paragraph of the Aeschylus section of the extant page. At the play's end, the Furies are re-dubbed the Kindly Ones, the Eumenides.

It seems that the Aeschylus section should be revised to reflect which of the plot details are sourced by this third play, and the claim in the Euripides section, that the first equation of the Furies with the Eumenides occurs in his play the Orestes, should be removed. --98.233.184.247 (talk) 04:20, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

There seems to be considerable scholarly debate concerning this issue which our article doesn't seem to adequately reflect. Although Aeschylus play has come down to us as the Eumenides this may not have been the original title used by Aeschylus, — the word "Eumenides" does not appear anywhere in the surviving text — and some scholars have attributed the first identification to Euripides' Orestes, see for example Sarah Iles Johnsto, p. 268 and Robin Mitchell-Boyask, "The Furies". Paul August 13:10, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

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Sartre, Nausea[edit]

John-Paul Sartre has a reference: ' Norns ', in his "Nausea"., p52, Penguin Classics, Penguin Books Ltd., Baldick, R. 2000. It's alluding to the Cyclops. Close to this search is Furiæ. He, Satre, does not go any further, with his classical references, to bridge the subject of Satyr(s) or Siren(s). Myself, I think that Antoine Roquentin is being followed. FUSTER1965 (talk) 16:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Three hellish Furies, stained in blood...[edit]

In Dante Alighieri's "The Divine Comedy of Dante The Inferno" (translation by, Marvin. R. Vincent, 1904) Canto IX lines: 30-40., p.57., he writes about the Furies, as such:

                     '....Three hellish Furies, stained with blood....little snakes for hair...'.

Dante then goes on to describe them as the 'Erinnyes' and names three, with the same names as Virgil's furies from the Æneid. Written in Greek, the English adjective 'selfish' is: εγωιστικός, phonetically, the tonal value is very similar to both Erinnyes and Erinyes; the Greek word is referenced as, selfish and egotistic. Similarly, the English adjective 'hellish' (Grk: καταχθόνος) is referenced as, infernal, hellish and Stygian. All of the above, puts me in mind of Medusa and her sisters, in Hesiod's "Theogony". FUSTER1965 (talk) 05:50, 8 January 2017 (UTC)