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Influence and legacy[edit]

Statue of Hemingway by José Villa Soberón, El Floridita bar in Havana

Hemingway's legacy to American literature is his style: writers who came after him emulated it or avoided it.[1] After his reputation was established with the publication of The Sun Also Rises, he became the spokesperson for the post–World War I generation, having established a style to follow.[2] His books were burned in Berlin in 1933, "as being a monument of modern decadence", and disavowed by his parents as "filth".[3] Reynolds asserts the legacy is that "he left stories and novels so starkly moving that some have become part of our cultural heritage."[4] In a 2004 speech at the John F. Kennedy Library, Russell Banks declared that he, like many male writers of his generation, was influenced by Hemingway's writing philosophy, style, and public image.[5] Müller reports that Hemingway "has the highest recognition value of all writers worldwide".[6]

Benson believes the details of Hemingway's life have become a "prime vehicle for exploitation", resulting in a Hemingway industry.[7] Hemingway scholar Hallengren believes the "hard boiled style" and the machismo must be separated from the author himself.[3] Benson agrees, describing him as introverted and private as J. D. Salinger, although Hemingway masked his nature with braggadocio.[8] In fact, during World War II, Salinger met and corresponded with Hemingway, whom he acknowledged as an influence. In a letter to Hemingway, Salinger claimed their talks "had given him his only hopeful minutes of the entire war" and jokingly "named himself national chairman of the Hemingway Fan Clubs."[9]

The extent of Hemingway's influence is seen in the tributes and echoes of his fiction in popular culture. A minor planet, discovered in 1978 by Soviet astronomer Nikolai Chernykh, was named for him (3656 Hemingway);[10] Ray Bradbury wrote The Kilimanjaro Device, with Hemingway transported to the top of Mount Kilimanjaro;[11] the 1993 motion picture Wrestling Ernest Hemingway, about the friendship of two retired men, Irish and Cuban, in a seaside town in Florida, starred Robert Duvall, Richard Harris, Shirley MacLaine, Sandra Bullock, and Piper Laurie.[12] The influence is evident with the many restaurants named "Hemingway"; and the proliferation of bars called "Harry's" (a nod to the bar in Across the River and Into the Trees).[13] A line of Hemingway furniture, promoted by Hemingway's son Jack (Bumby), has pieces such as the "Kilimanjaro" bedside table, and a "Catherine" slip-covered sofa. Montblanc offers a Hemingway fountain pen, and a line of Hemingway safari clothes has been created.[14] The International Imitation Hemingway Competition was created in 1977 to publicly acknowledge his influence and the comically misplaced efforts of lesser authors to imitate his style. Entrants are encouraged to submit one "really good page of really bad Hemingway" and winners are flown to Italy to Harry's Bar.[15] Since its introduction in 2004 Blizzard Entertainment's MMORPG Word of Warcraft includes a NPC quest giver named "Hemet Nesingwary" (an anagram) whose interests include big game hunting. He has appeared in multiple locations throughout the game's evolution.

In 1965, Mary Hemingway established the Hemingway Foundation and in the 1970s she donated her husband's papers to the John F. Kennedy Library. In 1980, a group of Hemingway scholars gathered to assess the donated papers, subsequently forming the Hemingway Society, "committed to supporting and fostering Hemingway scholarship."[16]

Almost exactly 35 years after Hemingway's death, on July 1, 1996, his granddaughter Margaux Hemingway died in Santa Monica, California. Margaux was a supermodel and actress, co-starring with her sister Mariel in the 1976 movie Lipstick.[17] Her death was later ruled a suicide, making her "the fifth person in four generations of her family to commit suicide."[18]

References

  1. ^ Oliver (1999), 140–141
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference Nagel_1996_87 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ a b Hallengren, Anders. "A Case of Identity: Ernest Hemingway". Nobelprize.org. Retrieved 30 November 2011.
  4. ^ Reynolds (2000), 15
  5. ^ Banks (2004), 54
  6. ^ Müller (2010), 30
  7. ^ Benson (1989), 347
  8. ^ Benson (1989), 349
  9. ^ Baker (1969), 420
  10. ^ Schmadel, Lutz D. (2003) Dictionary of Minor Planet Names. New York: Springer Verlag. ISBN 3-540-00238-3, 307
  11. ^ Cite error: The named reference Oliver144 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  12. ^ Oliver (1999), 360
  13. ^ Oliver (1999), 142
  14. ^ Hoffman, Jan. "A Line of Hemingway Furniture, With a Veneer of Taste". (June 15, 1999).The New York Times. Retrieved September 3, 2009.
  15. ^ Smith, Jack. Wanted: One Really Good Page of Really Bad Hemingway.(March 15, 1993). Los Angeles Times. Retrieved March 7, 2010.
  16. ^ Miller (2006), 78–80
  17. ^ "Margaux Hemingway Is Dead; Model and Actress Was 41". (July 3, 1996). The New York Times. Retrieved May 14, 2010
  18. ^ "Coroner Says Death of Actress Was Suicide". (August 21, 1996). The New York Times. Retrieved May 14, 2010.

Aeberbach (talk) 00:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done (if this post is a request, the material is already in the article). Almost word for word. — Neonorange (talk) 01:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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Formatting issue[edit]

@Professor JR:, just let you know that I restored an earlier version of the "Cuba and the Nobel Prize" section, because moving the images had left the section with a squashed quote; see here, scroll down. I don't know whether I lost other changes in the process. Apologies if I did. SarahSV (talk) 01:46, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Sarah for that. I've fixed another formatting issue today and made a few other tweaks. @Professor JR:, thanks for the edits here - it does need some tidying. But we need to keep the WP:FA criteria in mind and I'd like to keep it as clean as possible for the mid-month main page run of one of his works. I haven't been able to curate and won't be back for a few weeks - hoping watchers can pitch in. Thanks. Victoria (tk) 14:42, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
@Victoriaearle: I'm apparently not as 'Wiki-literate' as you, nor as familiar with the more arcane subtleties of 'Wiki-speak' terminology, and have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about when you write: "we need to keep the WP:FA criteria in mind and I'd like to keep it as clean as possible for the mid-month main page run of one of his works". Please explain (in lay terms, preferably.) Thanks. --- Professor JR (talk) 21:49, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2016[edit]

Dear sirs, my name is Alex Fernández de Castro writing from Barcelona, Spain, I would like to add a book about Hemingway I recently published in Spain to the "Sources" section in the Wikipedia article devoted to Hemingway. It is a book about "The Farm", a Joan Miró painting that Hemingway bought as a present to his first wife Hadley in 1925. It now hangs at the National Gallery of Art in Washington DC. My book (which so far has only been published in Spanish language) is called "La Masía, Un Miró Para Mrs Hemingay". It was published by Publicacions Universitat de Valencia on June 2015, ISBN 978-84-370-9668-1. You can find it quoted at the webpage of the NGA, among the info related to "The Farm" by Joan Miró: [1]

Let me finnish by saying that for the sake of accuracy and due respect to Ernest Hemingway, I am glad this page is protected.

Sincerely, Alex F. de Castro

Alex fernández de castro (talk) 22:21, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Hello Señor Fernández de Castro. It seems unlikely that your book is currently used as "a source" for the article. Even if it is not, it's not usual to add non-English language books to "Further reading", unless written by known subject-matter scholars. Nevertheless, the subject matter of your book looks very interesting, and is probably pertinent to one aspect of Hemingway's life. So perhaps it could be used to source an addition to the text? Let's see what other editors say. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
@Martinevans123 and Alex fernández de castro:
I have just seen this request. It is certainly possible to imagine a new section, in the present article, covering the topic of Hemingway as art collector and enthusiastic admirer of European and American painters.[1] This would provide an opportunity to mention Joan Miró and The Farm—evidently a notable work of art—with an English translation of Señor Fernández de Castro's book as one of the cited references. I would strongly support the development of such a new section, and will therefore keep this in my watchlist with the intent of making helpful contributions in due course.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 14:21, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Fully support. A good idea. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:34, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
@Martinevans123: Thank you for your prompt reply of support, Martin, and (belated) Happy Easter! Face-smile.svg
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 15:16, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
@Martinevans123: Thanks for your 'Thank You' button, Martin. Face-smile.svg
For planning purposes: there is Ernest Hemingway and the Arts[2], which seems perfect for a putative new section on the subject; I might even give it a go... Face-wink.svg
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 16:05, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Hemingway, Colette (2000). "Ernest Hemingway (1899–1961) and Art". metmuseum.org. The Metropolitan Museum of Art. Retrieved 30 March 2016. 
  2. ^ Stipes Watts, Emily (1972). Ernest Hemingway and the Arts. University of Illinois Press. ISBN 978-0-252-00169-7. 

Papa Hemingway, missing[edit]

It seems odd to me that this article, in all its comprehensive splendor, never mentions one of the most basic facts that we've all learned elsewhere: Hemingway was called "Papa" by his intimates and his admirers. The article only mentions "Papa" at one point, where it quotes a 1960 cable to his wife that he signed, "Love, Papa."

I wanted to add a single sentence to establish the fact; but honestly, I couldn't find a proper spot to insert it. The article is clearly crafted with care, and at each point where I looked, the insertion would have disrupted the flow. That's why I'm coming to the talk page, instead of being bold.

The information can be supported by at least the following citations:

Would anyone care to identify a good place for the insertion of one sentence stating "Hemingway was called 'Papa' by his intimates and his admirers," and citing those two references? Are there strong objections to such an addition? Lwarrenwiki (talk) 21:48, 18 April 2016 (UTC), rev. 21:51, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

@Lwarrenwiki: Dear Lwarrenwiki; Face-smile.svg
Thank you for raising this interesting point. As soon as I read your entry above, it made abundant sense to me to include a short reference to it. It is clear, from the sources you so thoughtfully provided, that Hemingway began to be referred to as 'Papa' at about the time of his trips to Pamplona, after 'Bumby'—who also called him 'Papa'—was born. Therefore, I would suggest that we insert a single sentence (that I have highlighted in bold face, just in this instance) at this point in the prose, within the fourth paragraph of the section on Paris:
"With his wife Hadley, Hemingway first visited the Festival of San Fermín in Pamplona, Spain, in 1923, where he became fascinated by bullfighting.[1] It is at this time that he began to be referred to as 'Papa'.[2][3] The Hemingways returned to Pamplona in 1924 and a third time in June 1925; that year they brought with them a group of American and British expatriates: Hemingway's Michigan boyhood friend Bill Smith, Donald Ogden Stewart, Lady Duff Twysden (recently divorced), her lover Pat Guthrie, and Harold Loeb.[4]"
What do you think?
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 12:16, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @Pdebee: Thank you, Patrick. I've inserted the information exactly as you suggested, and I appreciated your courtesy in going to the considerable trouble of showing me the spot and allowing me to take the credit for this edit. Lwarrenwiki (talk) 15:13, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Lwarrenwiki: Dear Lwarrenwiki; Face-smile.svg
Thank you for your very courteous feedback and for implementing the change. It really was no trouble at all to draft the sample above, as it helped to validate a good place for adding the new text. Thank you once again for your excellent initiative. Face-wink.svg
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 07:07, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Meyers (1985), 117–119
  2. ^ Harrington, Mary (December 28, 1946). "They Call Him Papa". New York Post Week-End Magazine. p. 3.  Reprinted in Bruccoli, Matthew Joseph, ed. (1986). Conversations with Ernest Hemingway. Literary conversations series. Univ. Press of Mississippi. pp. 42–45. ISBN 0878052739. ISSN 1555-7065. 
  3. ^ Richardson, Hadley (n.d.). How Hemingway became Papa (MP3). Audio segment (4m 37s) from interview with Alice Hunt Sokoloff. Archived from the original on 2016-04-18.  Published at Baker, Allie (June 28, 2010). "How did Hemingway become Papa?". The Hemingway Project. Archived from the original on 2016-04-07. In this clip, Alice Sokoloff asks Hadley if she remembers how the name 'Papa' began, which was sometime during their years in Paris. 
  4. ^ Nagel (1996), 89

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2016[edit]

orezal si je uho 193.198.185.226 (talk) 09:02, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  Stick to sources! Paine  09:28, 26 April 2016 (UTC)