Talk:Erwin Schrödinger

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Adding Reference Citation Challenge[edit]

Apologies to all - had some trouble adding the reference to Schrodinger's seminal "Quantisierung als Eigenwertproblem" paper. Adding the reference was straightforward with the template. However, trying to add in the ref to the online version of the document (admittedly after the fact) was harder than I anticipated.

Personally, I think it would be helpful if, when previewing a reference edit, you could also preview the reference itself. I had to save changes blind a few times before I got it the way it should be. Having said that, it's partly my newby-ness also, as I learned to use the CS1 errors help page after fumbling around for a bit!

Is there a "Newby Tutorial" or even a "User's Manual" on Wikipedia that I should use? Found templates, found help for AFTER I made a mistake, DIDN'T find clear instructions how to do what needed to be done.

This effort was triggered by a "Citation Needed" tag which I decided to address. Glad to help, pretty adventurous, but I feel bad that I was so sloppy in the effort.

Big Lew 22:38, 7 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lew Sheen (talkcontribs)

Just found the tutorial. Boy, do I feel dumb! I don't always do things backward...

Big Lew 22:54, 7 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lew Sheen (talkcontribs)

Back to the Future[edit]

There should be a mention that the cat in the movie "Back to the Future" is named Schrödinger. QuentinUK (talk) 16:33, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

all shit by ewrybere

Bad writing[edit]

"his relations with his wife Anny were good," Seriously, is this a fifth grade gossip column? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.165.123 (talk) 04:06, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I heard from my high school physics teacher that Schrödinger and his best friend regularly swapped their wives. One time when Schrödinger was having sex with his best friend's wife, he got an insight on his equation. He interrupted sex to write down his insight, and then went back to sex. Later, his written down insight became the foundation for Schrödinger's equation. Is there any evidence that this is true?

Legend about the episode of the discovery of Schrödinger's equation[edit]

I heard from my high school physics teacher that Schrödinger and his best friend regularly swapped their wives. One time when Schrödinger was having sex with his best friend's wife, he got an insight on his equation. He interrupted sex to write down his insight, and then went back to sex. Later, his written down insight became the foundation for Schrödinger's equation. Is there any evidence that this is true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nnnu (talkcontribs) 06:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC) There Is another story that Hilbert once told him that the only time he ever used matrices was to fit boundary conditions to differential equations. WIth respect to Heieenberg's recently published paper on quantum matrix mechanics, Hilbert purportedly told him to "Look for the differential equation!"

Some copy-paste needs rewriting[edit]

Some of the material added by Thepalerider2012 is cut and pasted, though he did provide the reference. It needs rewriting to avoid copyright violation. Reference: O'Conner, J. J. (October 2003). "Schrödinger Biography". University of St. Andrews. Retrieved 2 October 2012.  Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) StarryGrandma (talk) 19:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I am removing the copied material. This material has been an issue before, see here in the archive. Please add properly written and referenced material to fill in these gaps. Thanks. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Schrödinger's name[edit]

Please remove "pron.: /ˈʃroʊdɪŋər/" from the article. There is only one correct way to pronounce Erwin Schrödinger's name and it is "German: [ˈɛʁviːn ˈʃʁøːdɪŋɐ]". Anything else is simply ignorance toward the pronunciation of a person's name. I do not think Wikipedia should endorse such ignorance, but instead educate about the correct one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.233.174.49 (talk) 11:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC) i agree with you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.164.156.12 (talk) 05:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Nonsense. We reflect reality on WP, not fantasies about what should be. — kwami (talk) 08:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Surely names are different from other words - there is in general no standard of correctness for words other that the descriptive fact about what people say. In the case of names we can appeal to how the person themselves pronounced it. So ˈʃʁøːdɪŋɐ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.132.184 (talk) 07:55, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

My name is Matt. If I tell you it's pronounced with a hard 'K', will that make it so? Canine virtuoso (talk) 00:54, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Much of the time, various proper nouns are pronounced differently in English than they are in their native languages. At other times, English-speaking people make an effort to at least come close to the native pronunciation. The IPA info currently in the lede honors that reality, as far as I can tell, and respects Wikipedia's tendency to avoid prescriptiveness. (Of course, I'm oversimplifying: native speakers of English are far from uniform in their pronunciation of common English words, let alone German names.) Rivertorch (talk) 07:45, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Matt (with a K). Why yes, Matt, it will. In fact, a failure to respect the pronunciation of the person could be taken as creating a "hostile environment" and possibly subject the perp to both criminal and civil penalties. Its kinda strange you don't know this. It is neither smart nor correct to claim that since many are ignorant, that Wikipedia has to mirror their ignorance. In my opinion, the pronunciation closest to the original should be first, and common alternatives could also be included. Why should we have to choose only one to include here? There is, of course, a problem in determining which of alternative(s) to include, if there is more than one. (I'm sure you can also find (rare) examples of the individual pronouncing his/her name differently over time or to different audiences (languages, countries).) Is it Ine-stine or Aine-Schtine? (sorry, I don't/can't do IPA). Of course, another problem is that the "correct" pronunciation may not be within the range of the speaker's repertoire, this is common with 'foreign' names. (Several Japanese companies I've worked with have instructed their executives to adopt and use an English name when dealing with Americans, this also occurs with Chinese, to my knowledge.)216.96.79.108 (talk) 21:43, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit Request[edit]

Would someone be so kind as to include Mr. Schrödinger's date of birth (i.e. "birthday") being celebrated with a Google doodle? Perhaps under the "Legacy" section would be appropriate?

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98.70.83.2 (talk) 07:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Done, thank you. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 12:13, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request[edit]

In the opening paragraph in the part about "... various fields of physics:", "color theory" is listed but it links to the wiki page for visual color theory. I'm fairly certain the link should be to "Quantum chromodynamics".

Please change the landing page for "color theory" in the first paragraph from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_theory" to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_chromodynamics".

Thanks. (I hope I did this correctly...) Phestan (talk) 04:06, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


No, it is the proper link. 64.106.62.45 (talk) 16:37, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Not done for now:. The wording in the Color section suggests that the current link is appropriate, and the article doesn't mention quantum chromodynamics. If there's something we're missing, please reopen this request and briefly specify what it is (preferably in layman's terms that non-scientists such as I might understand). Rivertorch (talk) 18:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Schrodinger died before there was such a things as Quantum Chromodynamics. "Color" theory refers to his interest in color vision, which during his life was still a subject in need of considerable research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.223.130.32 (talk) 21:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Nobel Prize[edit]

'Nobel Prize' should be clickable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.175.15 (talk) 11:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Anny's death[edit]

In your article under "Personal Life," you state in the text that Anny died in 1965 but elsewhere you say she died the same year he died, 1961. (71.92.43.80 (talk) 02:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC))

If you are talking about in the infobox where it says "Spouse - Annemarie Bertel (1920–61)", those are the years the two were married. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 03:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Schrodinger had a rather unconventional love life for his time; a wife and mistress in a three-some. 86.149.134.79 (talk) 01:21, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Color blindness[edit]

I notice this article doesn't mention that he was apparently color blind. I came across this fact here: [1]. 216.21.161.163 (talk) 19:07, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Categorisation[edit]

I request that this article is added to Category:Austrian atheists. This fact is stated not only on this very article, but on the article List of atheists in science and technology, a whopping six sources are listed for Schrödinger:

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LaunchOctopus (talk) 17:29, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Done Topher385 (talk) 03:08, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Walter J. Moore (1994). A Life of Erwin Schrödinger. Cambridge University Press. pp. 289–290. ISBN 9780521469340. In one respect, however, he is not a romantic: he does not idealize the person of the beloved, his highest praise is to consider her his equal. "When you feel your own equal in the body of a beautiful woman, just as ready to forget the world for you as you for her - oh my good Lord - who can describe what happiness then. You can live it, now and again - you cannot speak of it." Of course, he does speak of it, and almost always with religious imagery. Yet at this time he also wrote, "By the way, I never realized that to be nonbelieving, to be an atheist, was a thing to be proud of. It went without saying as it were." And in another place at about this same time: "Our creed is indeed a queer creed. You others, Christians (and similar people), consider our ethics much inferior, indeed abominable. There is that little difference. We adhere to ours in practice, you don't." Whatever problems they may have had in their love affair, the pangs of conscience were not among them. Sheila was as much an unbeliever as Erwin, but in a less complex, more realistic way. She was never entirely convinced by his vedantic theology. 
  2. ^ Andrea Diem-Lane. Spooky Physics. MSAC Philosophy Group. p. 42. ISBN 9781565430808. In terms of religion, Schrodinger fits in the atheist camp. He even lost a marriage proposal to his love, Felicie Krauss, not only due to his social status but his lack of religious affiliation. He was known as a freethinker who did not believe in god. But interestingly Schrodinger had a deep connection to Hinduism, Buddhism, and Eastern philosophy in general. Erwin studied numerous books on Eastern thought as well as the Hindu scriptures. He was enthralled with Vedanta thought and connected ideas of oneness and unity of mind with his research on quantum physics, specifically wave mechanics. 
  3. ^ Moore, Walter (1994). A Life of Erwin Schrödinger. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-46934-0. Schopenhauer often called himself an atheist, as did Schrodinger, and if Buddhism and Vedanta can be truly described as atheistic religions, both the philosopher and his scientific disciple were indeed atheists. They both rejected the idea of a "personal God," and Schopenhauer thought that "pantheism is only a euphemism for atheism." 
  4. ^ Moore, Walter (1989). Schrödinger: Life and Thought. ISBN 0-521-43767-9. He rejected traditional religious beliefs (Jewish, Christian, and Islamic) not on the basis of any reasoned argument, nor even with an expression of emotional antipathy, for he loved to use religious expressions and metaphors, but simply by saying that they are naive. 
  5. ^ Walter J. Moore (1992). Schrödinger: Life and Thought. Cambridge University Press. p. 4. ISBN 9780521437677. He claimed to be an atheist, but he always used religious symbolism and believed his scientific work was an approach to the godhead. 
  6. ^ "Erwin Schrodinger" (PDF). Retrieved 22 June 2012. He claimed to be an atheist, but he used religious symbolism and believed that his scientific work was 'an approach to God'. 

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2017[edit]

I propose the irrelevant reference to Terry Rudolph under the Personal Life section be removed. In addition to the sentence itself sounding a bit "tabloid like", it provides no citation. 198.180.182.201 (talk) 01:40, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Thank you for your suggestion; however, the quantum physicist-professor-grandson is definitely relevant to Schrödinger's PL section, in my humble opinion. Inline reference citations have been included along with relevant links.  Paine Ellsworth  u/c 20:38, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm happy with the concept that relevancy will be a matter of opinion, I'm more interested in a citation to the truth of the claim. I do not know of any biography written by a historian where that link is claimed with any kind of evidence presented. It appears in the odd pop-sci book, but the legally recognized descendants (Braunizer family) are Austrian. [Apologies if I'm messing up this editing, first time doing something other than reading Wikipedia!] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.180.182.201 (talkcontribs)

I understand your misgivings and will continue to try to find reliable sources for the relationship. I've found several sources that Wikipedia would consider unreliable that talk about the relationship; however, it seems that Rudolph only found out that he was Schrödinger's grandson after he became a physicist. And now Rudolph seems to want to play down the relationship, possibly because he thinks that those are huge shoes to fill. I watched his inaugural speech yesterday, and he appears to be a personable young man in a wide open field of science. There is even a fair possibility that he will actually follow in his grandfather's footsteps and win his own Nobel. In any event, I shall leave this open to see what other editors think – I personally don't see any harm in leaving the claim in the article for now, and I really will try to find more reliable evidence of the relationship, which thus far doesn't seem to be very newsworthy.  Paine Ellsworth  u/c 20:39, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Listed above are two sources of the claim that Wikipedia would consider to be reliable sources, even moreso than the ones already used in the article. I will transfer the latter to a position below this post and will use the above sources in the article. If you still think that the claim is false, then your task will now be to find reliable sources that refute the claim. If this can be done, then either the claim can be refuted in the article, or the claim may be removed from the article entirely. Thank you again for your input, and best to you!  Paine Ellsworth  u/c 11:27, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2017[edit]

I do not understand the relevance of 'Google Doodle' for this biography? Why for the god's sake is relevant that google commemorated Schrödinger with some Doodle? Completely arbitrary fact. In line should we encourage people to keep adding completely arbitrary facts to articles? I think this should be removed.

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Izno (talk) 12:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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