Talk:Eschatology/Archive 1

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Source?

One of the sages of the Talmud says that, "Let the end of days come, but may I not live to see them" ... who is "one of"?

Bias

Why is the editor of the Eschatology page so biased against the entry *Notes on the Evolution and Dynamics of Biblical Eschatology that he keeps deleting it as an external link? --67.136.153.200 15:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


IS THIS CORRECT? PLEASE CHECK. A breeze from the south shall cause sores in the armpits of Muslims which they will die from.

Buddha did not predict that his teachings would last for 500 years; it was actually 1000 years, but, he said, that 'if women are allowed into the buddhist fold', then, 'that which has to last for a 1000 years, will fall in just 500'

Science

concerning this line,

Science doesn't have an eschatology as such, but the study of cosmology does deal with theories about the possible origins and the ultimate fate of the Universe.

Couldn't one argue that entropy (the second law of thermodynamics) is a most profound eschatology? Is it Frost who evokes the third law's eschatology:

But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To know that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice

If the first time we perish is when we die, isn't the second perishing when the universe itself dies? Slrubenstein

Organizing Afterlife Articles

I would like to organize the articles that deal with an otherworld as a real existence. I propose that Afterlife would be the best hub for such articles. Eschatology and Underworld are other possibilities, but I don't think they work as well as Afterlife. Any thoughts on such a project? Tom (hawstom) 14:40, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

Computers

A/UX the original Unix OS from Apple Computer used the word eschatology for some filesystem recovery information. I think it has been used in other computer contexts as well. --Elijah 02:29, 2004 Dec 10 (UTC)

not there

the link to egyptian, greek and roman eshatology leeds to nothing so i am going to delete them as well as the rastafarian one

Please don't remove red links just because they are red. Those articles should eventually be created. Leaving red links in place is one method we indicate which articles are missing. -- Beland 20:43, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Attention flag

This article has lately gotten a lot of material added to it rather haphazardly. I've discovered there are lots of end-of-the-world-related articles sprouting up, but they are larely isolated and collectively disorganized. A lot of these articles have subsections that have a "main article" somewhere else, but that section has material that's not in the main article, or otherwise isn't a good overall summary. There are also a few articles still in need of merging, and a lot of work needs to be done on cross-references, including "see also" links. -- Beland 05:50, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Introduction

In the second paragraph of the introduction, there is discussion of the Greek word "Aeon" for "age". Is this supposed to be a bit of etymology (eschatos + aeon = last age)? If so, it is bogus. The correct etymology (see OED) is that eschaton is the neuter of the adjective eschatos. Used as a noun, it would then translate simply as "last thing".

I had intended to leave this alone, and see where discussion went, but in fact, I'll delete the offending paragraph. It can always be restored.

Magic Bills?

What are the "Magic Bills"? Schizombie 20:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


I am a Magic Bill. There are about 230 of us in the Midwestern region of the United States. I'm the one adding the annotation, and I would appreciate if it stayed there. We are working on a Wikipedia entry for our church. Once the entry is posted, I will replace the Magic Bills annotation in this entry.

Can you provide an internet source? What religion are you a denomination of? Or are you a religion all in your own? Please specify. KI 04:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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Realted page: End Times

What is the relationship between "Eschatology" and the entry for End Times? Seems like these pages should be joined, or at least refer to each other somehow. Wadsworth 20:51, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Hopi

The section on Hopi end times prophecy had each "sign" parenthesised with an interpretation relating to current events, as follows:

Tribal leaders of the Hopi tribe, such as Dan Evehama, Thomas Banyaca and Martin Gashwaseoma prophecize that the coming of the white man signals the end times, along with a strange beast "like a buffalo but with great horns that would overrun the land" (i.e. cattle). It is prophesized that during the end times the earth would be crossed by iron snakes and stone rivers, (i.e. railroads), and the land would be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web (i.e. freeways), and seas will turn black (i.e. oil spills).

I have removed the interpretations as unencyclopaedic (one wouldn't write in an article on Christian end-times prophecy "The AntiChrist (Pope)", for example, despite that being a common interpretation). Would be interested to see a source for this, ideally putting these things in context, as this small subset of Hopi prophecy seems to show up in a lot of trendy new age books with little or no background given.

--Black Butterfly 13:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Have reverted edits to the Hopi section (people removed my removals as detailed above without commenting on this page). could someone shed some light on this (ideally someone responsible for the reverts), including who the above "tribal leaders" are and what the details are of the prophecy? --Black Butterfly 11:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Deleting content without an explanation is seen as vandalism. I suggest that in the future, when deleting content you disagree with, you provide an edit summary to explain your actions. I still remain unconvinced your edits were anything more than just petty vandalism. KI 14:35, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Assuming that is directed at me, I would like to point out that I DID explain my edits, and consequent re-edits, while those who removed them did no such thing. --Black Butterfly 16:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
That's simply not true. KI 20:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
you appear to be rewriting things to your own belief. check the page history. check the changes made by me. then check the history for this talk page. each one explained. --Black Butterfly 12:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

From what I've read, the "spider's web" refers not to freeways but to telephone and electrical wires.

correction to islamic view of end of days

it is widely belived that Al-Mahdi will only play a role in uniting the muslims to withstand the Anti-Christ attacks, However, it is Jesus who will kill the Anti-Christ and he (Jesus)...will create a world state.... With such a start he will establish an empire of God in this world. He will be the final demonstration and proof of God's merciful wish to acquaint man with the right ways of life....the fate of Al-Mahdi is not clearly depicted after the second appearence of Jesus.

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I know that Muslims revere Jesus as a prophet of God, but do they see him as 'Christ' in the way that Christians do? 'Christ' simply means 'anointed', if I remember correctly, so I suppose there is no reason why Muslims should not use the title for Jesus, but I am curious to know whether Muslim tradition describes an 'Antichrist', and if so whether the word carries quite the same meaning as it would to someone from a Christian background. - Adaru 14:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Alphabetical edit

The entry for Mormonism was taken out of alphabetical order and placed at the beginning of the article. I just put it back where “M” should go. The previous order connoted favoritism for Mormonism which breaks the NPOV stance of Wikipedia. Dodavehu 18:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


"Much of it depends on way the Jews act. Some also say that these tumoltuous events will also be spiritual difficulty such as immorality etc. We are taught not to delve too deep into these things for they are difficult to discover and can drive a man insane. "

That is unfit for a Wikipedia text.It is not quoted,and is probably written by a zealous Jew.--85.102.76.31 22:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

transliteration

someone should transliterate the greek, to make it accessible for he or she who does not know the greek alphabet but wants to know greek words for etymology.

History

It may just be me (I like lists) but anyone object to a chronology of the end of the world, as it were? Hakluyt bean 19:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

islamic eschatolgy

Somebody had written under the islamic eschatology in this page that the Prophet(S.A.W) said to his companions that some of them will live till the end of the time. He didn't give any citation. There is no Hadith or any other source that tells us this. Hence, I have deleted the entry.

External Links

One of the external links was titled "Accurate Christian Beliefs", and it led to the Jehovah's Wintesses website. I renamed the link so it would be more accurate. There's no reason to call other beliefs inaccurate here- just tell it like it is. Galume.

القيامة يوم yom el Quiama (last day of world)

Yom el Quiama which can be translated to day of ressurection but I prefer to translate it to last day of world because I like to discuss it from folkloric point of view because it is a constant belief in both East and West,christians and moslems. Any natural phenomenon like sun or moon eclipse was considered as ominous sign for yom el-Quieama and all measures were taken by people to pass the dilemma including of course prayers and unusual gifts to poor but in middle ages it was taking more comic type.Somebody mostly a monk or sufi determined exactly the date and hour of this catastroph.people were selling all their properties and gathered together to see the end among weeping and praying etc.but the hour was passing quitely and the only reason of that was a request from saint or martyr or apostle.The only winners of this comedy was the prince or trader or sufi who deserved of course gifts and money for his meditation and what a funny things in this world. Dr.Philip Attiya

Scientology Section Not Eschatology

The section on Scientology had almost nothing to say about Eschatology. I have removed it. If someone wants to put back the Scientology entry, it would be best if it explained how Scientologists believe the world will end.

List of doomsday scenarios

Could use votes to save this article, thanks MapleTree 22:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Point of 'Doomsday'?

What is the point of such a thing, if it occurs in 2012 (or any other day in the future)?

If some God(s) wanted to rid the Earth of evil, and win against "the beast"/"the devil" (etc), why not do that right now? It's only 6 years from now, why not do that now? I can't see the point. I can't see the purpose of a set date in terms of what some God would want. To me, it makes no sense.

People said the world was going to end and that the judgement day was going to happen in 2000, and nothing happened.

86.140.88.15 03:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Links

Wikipedia is not a link farm. This article had passed the spam event horizon. Please review the links and re-add only those which provide genuinely valuable context over and above what would be included in a great article. Simply being a site which presents a view about eschatology is not enough. Guy (Help!) 10:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30, & Luke 21:32

Controversial though they may be, probably need to mention in the Christianity section that these passages tend to indicate that Jesus, the apostles, and the early Christians believed that the end of the world was imminent. TimeDog 15:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the greatest pain is a new pain that is no more than the last?

'Perhaps the greatest pain is a new pain that is no more than the last?Because I am at present deep in reverie, i cannot - unfortunately - review the other discussions. I barely have time to read the article itself more do I analyze it with brevity.

It might be providential to examine a lesser known root of the word - World. Prior to the conviction it was imagined that wonder came from an aggregate form of the mind known as "world". Further it might be found "The world is within you.".

Perhaps the "End of the world" is only a permutation of cultural progression, and not the end to life itself?

Godspeed to your thoughts and their produce, may you find the peace I have. I would hold it from no other. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.239.107.204 (talk) 05:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

Moved specific religious beliefs to End Times

And merged them, leaving this page for the concept of Eschatology. I hope this helps resolve the messy duplication--Cberlet 22:46, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't Islamic Eschatology likewise be moved? --catcherinthesty 08:31, 30 July 2008 (EST)

As no further comments have been made, and it's redundant to the appropriate section of the End Times article, I have removed both the Islamic Eschatology and Judeo-Christian sections. --Catcherinthesty (talk) 05:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Four last things

Four last things redirects here (my interest was piqued by The Seven Deadly Sins and the Four Last Things) but I can't figure out WHY. What is up? Anybody? --mordicai. (talk) 18:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, it is because "Judgement" of the Four Last Things means both personal & universal. Maybe it would be better directed to the more appropriate, more Catholic page on the end of the world. --mordicai. (talk) 12:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Alternate meaning

Eschatology can also simply mean a theory or philosophy of what happens to us after death (with no End Times baggage). Homer's presentation (Odyssey 11) of the dead in the underworld is an eschatology; so is Plato's "Myth of Er" and Cicero's "Dream of Scipio." FWIW Ifnkovhg (talk) 22:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Islamic Eschatology

Removed unsourced statements about how "the commonest of men" must realize we are living in the end times, and added [citation needed] to the two quotes: maybe they're from the Qur'an? I didn't delete the remark about how it's been scientifically proven that Muhammad's "major signs" have all been scientifically proven to be true, since it has a source I can't check. But I find it very unlikely that the reference given backs up the sweeping and slightly vague claims.

The article should be well referenced.....

according to the google scholar search

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=eschatology&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=2006&as_yhi=2008&as_allsubj=all&hl=en&lr= —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.21.40.253 (talk) 03:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

and this

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=allintitle%3A+eschatology&as_ylo=2007&as_yhi=2008&btnG=Search —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.21.40.253 (talk) 04:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Links 2: The Return

These are the external lings I removed. Please don't add them back to the article unless there’s a clear consensus. →(SpeakMorgothXHavoc) 02:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Removed due to mising pages

Consider carefully if these are really important to the article.

Personal Websites / Possibly Unrealible
  • [1] Postmillennialism
  • [2] End Times Encyclopedia
  • [3] Rapture Ready website
Not Relevent to Article Topic
  • [4] The Berean Call, a web-ministry of Dave Hunt
  • [5] Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry