Talk:Ethics of circumcision

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This article is linking to which is an insurance company...I think the intended link is supposed to be to which is a circumcision advocacy.

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Peter W. Adler[edit]

I have looked up Peter W. Adler, B.A., M.A., J.D.

Peter W. Adler is a graduate of Dartmouth, the University of Cambridge, and the University of Cambridge School of Law. He practiced law for many years before taking an executive position. He is well qualified to write a law journal article. His paper is on point and it was improperly deleted from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sugarcube73 (talkcontribs) 02:48, 2 December 2013

The issues were: 1) There was a WP:GEVAL problem as the wording made it look like Adler's comments were on par with the influence and authority of the BMA, which they aren't, and 2) If he's really a respected voice on this you should be able to find something he's published in a major ethics journal, as opposed to a student-edited one, right? Where is that source? Zad68 03:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Adding, his "executive position" appears to be that he gave up law and now sells watches and Swiss army knives? Is he really the best-available voice on this?? Zad68 03:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

All law journal are edited by law students. That is normal. It does not disqualify the journal. Adler did not forget law when he went into business. His papers have been accepted by peer reviewed journals. His voice is one of many voices that need to be presented on this controversial subject.

Sugarcube73 (talk) 14:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

The argument isn't that Adler doesn't have a law degree or didn't practice law in his previous career before he turned to retail sales. It's that the journal he got published in is crap. See here. It provides an independent ranking of 105 law journals in the category of public policy, politics and the law. The top dozen journals have ranking scores of 60 or higher. The journal Adler got published in had a ranking of 0.7, and placed near the bottom. It's simply untrue that all law journals are edited by students. Student-edited journals are considered bottom-tier, faculty-edited ones are generally considered more authoritative. Given all this, there's no reason to expect that Adler's view is influential enough to include. What independent sources can you point to to demonstrate that Adler's article is considered generally authoritative and influential? Without that, WP:DUEWEIGHT can't be shown to be met. Zad68 19:52, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Journal of Medical Ethics[edit]

The Journal of Medical Ethics has devoted substantial space to the issue the ethics of child circumcision. This needs to be organized and presented here.

Sugarcube73 (talk) 14:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That is an excellent journal and I'd expect that the articles they have published on the subject would be useful here, although of course each article needs to be evaluated on an individual basis. They have published a few articles on both child and adult, and from a range of perspectives. Care will need to be taken to avoid using articles based on outdated medical information, as a lot of new data has been produced on the procedure in just the past few years. Sugarcube73 this will be a good opportunity for you to demonstrate that you understand and are willing to develop articles in line with Wikipedia WP:NPOV policy, and represent the journal articles accurately and give emphasis to the viewpoints in proportion to what is found within the reliable sources. I will be reviewing the edits as time permits. Zad68 16:28, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Journal of Medical Ethics, July 2013[edit]

The entire issue of the July 2013 Journal of Medical Ethics is devoted to the question of non-therapeutic circumcision of male children. This page won't be complete until the contents of this very important issue of the JME is discussed.

Sugarcube73 (talk) 17:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

It would need a secondary source too Popish Plot (talk) 19:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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