Talk:Ethiopian Empire

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This page needs added to!!!! Emergency!!!!![edit]

Emergency? Why? We already have Ethiopia & History of Ethiopia. At the moment, this article only duplicates material that exists in those two articles. Unless the scope of this article is defined, we should just merge the two. -- llywrch 20:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I would say the Ethiopian Empire should be separate from all that comes after it in the Ethiopia article. That is a major break in the government of the country. Note Italy has a similar situation, having a separate article on the Kingdom of Italy. Asiaticus (talk) 08:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Native name[edit]

Hey we need the native name for the Ethiopian Empire. Like, the Ashanti Empire was called "Asanteman" by the natives and Kongo Kingdom was called "Wene wa Kongo". What did they call Ethiopia back then. And I know it was Abyssinia.Scott Free (talk) 06:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

This whole Wiki entry called "Ethiopian Empire" needs to be deleted. It is not historically accurate and infact is a complete fabrication. The map that is showing has big chunks of Southern Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Northern Sudan...etc all put into this "Mythological" Empire because that is exactly what it is.

An Empire means there was a cohesive central authority that ruled over all those territories. The historical records do not agree with this Wiki entry.

The Aksumite Empire, the Meroitic Empire (Southern-modern day Sudan), Nubia (Northern Sudan), Somalia, Oromia (modern-Southern Ethiopia)..etc were not at one point "One Empire". I ask was this empire under "Amharic-speaking people" if so, then I ask, how come Amharic can't pronounce a majority of the Geez words , language of the Ancient Aksumite Empire. This Wiki article needs to be deleted completely because it is historically inaccurate and wrong to continue to push this propaganda. This is not history..and highly offensive that the Ancient Empires of Aksum, Meroe, Cush, Nubia, Oromia...etc are being forced under the title of "Ethiopian". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puhleec (talkcontribs) 01:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


Old capitals sucha as Debre Berhan should be included in the info-box. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

No break[edit]

It's ridiculous to consider the five-year Italian occupation a break-worthy event! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simfan34 (talkcontribs) 15:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Delete this Whole Wiki as there was no such "Ethiopian Empire"[edit]

This wiki entry is completely false and misinterpretation of the History of several kingdoms and empires that spanned along time. The history of Kebra Negast (Solomonic dynasty) of Yekuno Amlak of Abysinnia is purely REVISIONIST and an insult to the intelligence of really aware and knowledgeable participants and practicioners of Historical analysis. I will delete this Whole Entry as it is false and based on lies from an ethno-centric politicalgroup within an ethnic group in "modern Ethiopia" ie "Amhara chauvenists" who repeat the lie of the Solomonic dynasty etc! —Preceding signed comment added by Puhleec (talkcontribs) 22:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

You aren't an Admin, so you can't delete this article; blanking it will only get you in trouble for vandalism. The best you can do is nominate this article for deletion here, but the reasons you provide are insufficient for anyone to take your objections seriously. You also face the small problem that there are countless history books which take as evident truth the assertion you rant against; unless you can provide reliable sources which show someone besides you think this way, at best you're simply going to be ignored & at worst be banned from editing Wikipedia. -- llywrch (talk) 06:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Llywrch, I'll do you and wikipedia a favor and delete my own account. The fact that you side with this "Ethiopian Empire" to exist only shows your non-neutrality in the issue as much as you have accused me of so. Either way, wikipedia can continue to keep false information on it's site. My "rant" was never angry and you don't have to make this a personal attack as you did. Again, I will be deleting my account as I would not want to participate or even contribute to wikipedia if it is being run by people (such as yourself) who want to push "myths" as "history". Puhleec (talk) 03:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

It may be a rant (with no attempt to provide sources) but I'm curious to know what he's talking about - if this a point of view out there (rather than just his idea). there doesn't seem to be any hint in the article. Maybe someone else who is little more scholarly could shed some light. DeCausa (talk) 01:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

"Oldest State"?[edit]

The opening paragraph asserts that at the time of the Empire's overthrow in 1974, it was the oldest state in the world. I'm pretty sure that's false, as San Marino has been sovereign since almost 300 AD. Perhaps the original author intended to add a qualifier such as "oldest dynasty" or "oldest state in Africa"? Anybody have any insight? --Foolishgrunt (talk) 14:41, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Aren't Japan or China much older...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2028:2C9:8C91:C1E2:F53C:1977:DA96 (talk) 14:49, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect Image.[edit]

The Northern Somali coast was in Control of the Adal Sultanate. And the Ogaden were under control of the Ajuuran Empire. At first you should check the timeline of the Adal Sultanate, Ajuuraan Empire and The Gobroon Dynasty. How is it possible to posses that places in the Middle Ages when its under control of an other souvereign state? And in the Modern period the Ogaden was under control of Italian Somalia. Thus an other map should be created with acurate borders and also to show its neighbours. Is there any source for this map? e.g; An old map indicating the Empire ore a book that has discribed the Empire and its borders?

  • Meantime it should be removed, until a correct one will show up.Runehelmet (talk) 19:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree, the map is a fringe one, no other historian be it a Ethiopianist or a Somalist scholar has ever included so much Somali territory under a medieval Ethiopian State, usually only the port of Zeila is included. Not even the Kingdom of Adal stretched that far into modern Somalia. Lee Cassanelli's "Shaping of Somali Society" makes no mention of medieval Ethiopian dominance of the Ogaden. Richard Pankhurst similarly in his book; "The Ethiopian Borderlands" makes no mention of such a large medieval size that also includes the modern Oromo and Southern regions of Ethiopia, which did not come under Ethiopian control until they were conquered as recently as the 19th century.

Additionally, this map shows Ethiopian rule over large swathes of North and South Sudan, which isn't explained in the book. From the time-period this map is supposed to cover according to the book (13th to 16th centuries), plenty of scholarly evidence is available that point to independent Kingdoms being sovereign in the two Sudans well after the collapse of the Aksumite State, namely the Kingdoms of Alodia, Nobatia and Makuria, none of them were "Ethiopian" kingdoms, but according to that map they were all part of Medieval Abyssinia.

Just because there is one book making such a ridiculous (unexplained) map doesn't mean it can be used as the definitive example of medieval Ethiopia, which a myriad of well-established sources most certainly do not support (some of which I have already mentioned), outside of the myth of Prester John's fabled empire. Take the Conquest of Abyssinia for example, the medieval scribe that wrote it, still spoke of Adal's expansion into independent Somali territory that was out of both powers control, yet this map makes it look like it was under Imperial control in the Middle Ages. I will therefore replace it with a more neutral map that was used previously in the article. --Somaliweyn10 (talk) 12:58, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Bring back the old map! The former map is much clearer and shows the location of the Ethiopian Empire compared to other modern day countries. If the map is incorrect, then you could edit it for the proper borders, or make a new file on the world sphere. The sphere is easier to follow! You can make the necasary edits to correct the sphere! Jacsam2 (talk) 12:44, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
You may be right that the current image is hard to 'follow'. You should consult the maker of the former image to adjust the borders. But that is a problem too. If you show the image editor an example of how the Empire looked in a specific time, then the problem could be solved. Runehelmet (talk) 19:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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Half of ethiopia[edit]

The claim that the "Ethiopian Empire" occupied only half of modern Ethiopia, seems rather strange. What country occupied the rest of it ?Eregli bob (talk) 11:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

For example; in the Southern part of modern day Ethiopia( Oromia), various Oromo Sultanates ruled the area, in the east( Ogaden) Somali nomads roamed and controlled the area, in the Northeast the Afar states, notably the Aussa Sultanate and in the Southwest other ethnic groups(e.g. Nuer, Anuak and various Nilotic peoples) inhabited the area and ruled it independently. Not until the series of conquests under Menelik II in the late 19th century, was the Ethiopian Empire expanded into the modern-day state of Ethiopia. Hope this will explain enough. Runehelmet (talk) 14:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
This article needs a better explanation of why this is considered an empire (normally comprising a number of subject states). Kortoso (talk) 16:41, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Etymology of "Abyssinia"[edit]

  • This article says "Abyssinia (a Europeanized form of the Arabic Al-Habash)". But Arabic is a latecomer in the area, and the Arabic form may be an adaptation of a previous non-Arabic native form. To me, the name A-byssin-ia looks like Greek for "no-cotton-land"; much of it may be too high and cold to grow cotton. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Byssin is suggested in online dictionaries as an ancient type of cloth. In Wikipedia, we mention "byssus" as a term for sea silk. For etymology see its page in Wiktionary.

In modern Greek, the closest-sounding term to "byssin" would be byssino (Βύσσινο). It is the Greek term for sour cherry. See the page for relater terms in Greek. Dimadick (talk) 22:24, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

End of Ethiopian Empire[edit]

Monarchy was officially abolished only in March 1975 (when Selassie was still alive), so is it correct to put an end in 1974?--Shivanarayana (talk) 08:10, 7 December 2016 (UTC)