Talk:Eugene F. Lally

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I have recreated the article, which had been restored/userfied at my request. I took out some of the more peacocky parts, and tagged other items as needing sources. And I added a bunch of sources, with quotes, to establish notability, but I haven't worked their content into the article yet. I'm hoping someone else will work on it, since I'm on wikibreak doing another project; I labeled it a stub until someone does. Dicklyon (talk) 07:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why was this restored? It never should have been, none of the sources establish notability and is in direct contravention of the consensus to delete this article. It now seems that an IP editor has bastardised the page and unsurprisingly POV pushing elsewhere, [1]. Prodding. ChiZeroOne (talk) 17:37, 1 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Like I said above, I have added under "more sources" quite a few secondary sources about him and his work, with quotes. I have copies if you need to see them. It would be good to incorporate some of these into the article (and remove some of what he added himself, I agree). But notability is clearly no longer in question, given the sources. Dicklyon (talk) 21:09, 1 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moved from article mainspace[edit]

The following is a draft section removed from the artocle mainspace, moved to talk where it belongs. Polyamorph (talk) 07:35, 15 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

More sources, with notes/quotes to incorporate into the article[edit]

  • Ahmed Nabil Belbachir (2009). Smart Cameras. Springer. p. vi. In 1961, at the annual convention of the American Rocket Society Eugene F.Lally introduced the idea of having an integrated imaging device and a processing unit. He proposed manned Mars missions with cameras employing mosaic arrays of photodetectors with their output being processed in the digital domain to provide on-board guidance and navigation.
  • "Designers See Space Guidance Systems Turning into Mosaics of Optical Cells". Electronics. McGraw-Hill. July 6, 1962. pp. 26–27. Goal is an optical guidance system that will not require an expensive and complex inertial platform and high-accuracy sensors, said Eugene F. Lally, of Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and Mortimer Penberg, of Aerojet-General. ... Lally and Penberg described a method of fabricating mosaic guidance components that would reduce noise and the volume of detector channels. Arrays of photocells, each with its own solid-state, signal-amplifying, shaping and processing circuits, would feed an onboard computer as shown in the diagram.
  • "Landing Foreseen on Martian Moon". The Independent. Pasadena, California. May 24, 1963. A study of a manned mission to Mars that foresees a four-man crew of astronauts landing on a Martian moon before descending to explore the planet's surface was presented yesterday by Eugene F. Lally, senior research engineer at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory of the California Institute of Technology. The presentation was made at a National Aeronautics and Space Administration seminar on Manned Planetary Mission Technology held at the Lewis Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio.
  • Maurice F. Reardon (July 26, 1989). "Keep Probing Space, ex-Quincy Resident Says". The Patriot Ledger. Quincy, Massachusetts. p. 10. Former Quincy resident Eugene F. Lally, an engineer, is an advocate for President Bush's space program.
  • Alfred Rosenblatt (August 16, 1962). "Mosaic Star Trackers Sought For Guidance of Spaceships". Electronic Design. Hayden Publishing. pp. 4–11. Even further in the future, however, is the mosaic guidance system proposed by Eugene F. Lally of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Mortimer Penberg of the Aerojet General Corporation. Their system calls for a mosaic of photosensitive cells that are only 1 mil square.
  • Robert C. Haavind (October 25, 1961). "Space Report: Soaring Ideas—Down-to-Earth Problems". Electronic Design. Hayden Publishing. pp. 8–9. One structure for space navigation was based on a mosaic optical system modeled after the structure of the eye. This approach, according to Eugene F. Lally of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, would eliminate the need for inertial systems or position information sent from the ground. The achievement of such a mosaic setup, in which a computer system would match incoming signals from the mosaic with stored data to make position determinations, awaits the development of suitable microminiature circuity, Mr. Lally said. ... analog methods eventually should give way to pure digital techniques, Mr. Lally predicted, so that smaller and smaller elements could be used.
  • "Weightlessness". Lab-oratory. Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology. September 1962. p. 12. 'Simulated gravity will solve most of these problems, but will also have disadvantages,' according to Lally, 'but fewer than the weightless state. These would include rotational illusions, dizziness and nausea caused by rapid head movements. Crew training would minimize these affects.' ... Lally suggests mounting the guidance module on the cable between the cabin and the propulsion unit. ... 'Our present understanding of spacecraft design to simulate gravity does not indicate that the required techniques would be so complex as to reduce the probability of mission success,' Lally said. 'However, actual spacecraft design will be dependent on biological problems defined by earth orbiting experimentation.'
  • Dave Swaim (August 1, 1965). "Mercury, Jupiter put on Places to Visit List". The Independent. Pasadena, California. Eugene F. Lally, of Pasadena, a former JPL man now employed as senior engineer for the Space General Corporation in El Monte, presented a Jupiter 'paper'. The space scientist outline a program of possible fly-by missions to Jupiter, that huge, fast spinning planet that is more than three times as far away as Mars.
  • "Cartwheeling Vehicle Asked for Mars Trip: Special Spacecraft Provides Artificial Gravity and Escape from Weightlessness". Los Angeles Times. September 3, 1962. p. 5. The spacecraft's cabin and propulsion module would be launched as one unit, but once in flight they would be separated by a long cable, Eugene Lally of JPL's System Design Section writes in the current issue of Astronautics magazine.


It probably is not fair to call what I have done a "clean-up" as I have removed much of the self-promoting content contributed by anonymous IPs I presume are all Lally. I nominated this article for deletion twice but certain long-term editors considered it worth keeping for reasons never made clear to me. Although they acknowledged the shortcomings of this article at the time no one ever made any effort to correct them. I ignored this article for a long time but I grew frustrated as the outrageous and inflated claims made in this article were appearing all over the internet, uncritically copied from this article as "facts".[1] As I feel his unchallenged claims diminish the real contributions of actual space and technology pioneers I finally have rewritten this article in the proper critical tone. Lally is interesting as he really was an eyewitness to an important time in U.S. space exploration history but he is much like the character "Major Hoople" in the newspaper comic strip, Our Boarding House: He was there, but his actual contributions were nowhere near as significant as he remembers them. Aldebaran66 (talk) 17:42, 19 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Posthumous edits 2014-10-16[edit]

I was totally shocked by the 'Clean-Up' of Aldebaran66. It was not as much of a clean-up but more like discrediting the life and work of a genius. Your explanation of your 'clean-up' is an outrage all by itself. Comparing him to a comic strip character and calling him a liar is an outrageous insult. Who gives you the right to violate his legacy? As an outsider who knows nothing about Mr. Lally, you simply don't have the right to decide what is true or not. What sources do you rely on? The five percent of the internet that Google makes available to you? Ever heard of personal documents and files, personal correspondence and eye-witness testimonies that have NOT found it's way to the internet? If you were able to Google at all you would have easily found out that Lally did not found his company in 2004 but in the early sixties. He was already inventing and developing non-space products back then. Aside from that, what makes you think your name has to be on a patent to be an inventor? This is the biggest crap I have ever heard. How can you post that on Wikipedia? Lally has invented a lot of things even before you were born. As a teenager he invented a solution to the red-eye problem caused by flash on color film. This solution was published in a photo magazine and is still in use today. Neither the article nor the photo magazine have made it to the web so far, so according to your theory it's a lie then? You above all should know that in the sixties, during the cold war, NASA did NOT publish EVERY article, document, white paper, thesis or space mission design publically. A tremendous lot of research in the fields of space exploration, space travel and work from the imaging industry is still inaccessible! Lally published so much more that you are not even closely aware of. Also the fact that you wrote that Mr. Lally only CLAIMED to have been working with Krafft Ehricke is hilarious. He was on Ehricke's team and kept a good friendship with him and his family even after Ehricke died. There is proof of that. Oh sorry, I forgot, that's NOT available on the internet, so it's a lie then. Because you don't have access to that material, it doesn't exist? I have the benefit of having been an acquaintance to Mr. Lally and am still in contact with his family after his death. If you knew him, which apparently you didn't, you would have known that Mr. Lally was one of the kindest persons in the world and would never have told untruthful stories just to make himself interesting. I, as only a few people in this world, know the very reason why he self-promoted so much from 2002 onwards, you don't and I am certainly not going to tell you because you are not worthy of knowing this. (Dennomanno (talk) 09:11, 16 October 2014 (UTC))Reply[reply]

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R.I.P. Dr. Lally[edit]

I had an email correspondence with Dr. Lally back in 2010 (we had a lot in common, like digital photography inventions, working at JPL, etc., about a generation apart). He sent me a packet of his publications, and I added some info to the article, but not really as much as I could have. I just noticed that since then he has passed away, and that there has been some argument about the degree to which things he wanted credit for were justified, and so on. I have the papers still, and can share them with anyone neutral who wants to help even this out. On the one hand, I think his contributions were under-recognized in his lifetime; on the other hand, I realize we can't just take his work for how great his contributions were. We just need to neutrally report what he did, which is a lot! Dicklyon (talk) 23:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]