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To clean up the page, I've created a single image containing the faces of 12 European Australians for the info box. Previously, there were 18 images of irregular size in a very messy arrangement in this position, pushing the information contained in the box far down the page. I'm sure no-one's going to complain about the tidy up, but as Cymruman, already has done, I expected complaints about the people I included. First of all, I'd like to say that it wasn't my intention to include predominantly Australians with Anglo-Celtic backgrounds, (and for the record, Sidney Myer has a Russian Jewish background. Of the 12 people I've included, 10 were already on the page. I added first PM Edmund Barton and longest serving PM Robert Menzies (both notable enough for inclusion) so that the image would not be dominated by contemporary Australians. Here is the list of people who were included on the page before my edit, and the reasons I have removed certain images.
- Rolf Harris - removed, really just because I could only fit 12 people into the image.
- Donald Bradman - kept
- Nicole Kidman - kept
- Ned Kelly - kept
- Sidney Myer - kept
- Rupert Murdoch - kept
- Errol Flynn - kept
- Eric Bana - kept (though originally, I replaced him with Hugh Jackman, who I considered more notable, but as
- Natalie Imbruglia - removed because of poor quality of image (taken from audience at a performance).
- Peter Andre - removed because of poor quality of image (same as Imbruglia)
- Morris Iemma - removed, in my opinion, not of well known enough, especially internationally.
- Deniz Tek - removed, in my opinion, not well known enough.
- Jelena Dokic - removed, poor quality image (on court).
- Geoffrey Rush - kept.
- John Aloisi - removed, poor image (on field).
- Mel Gibson - removed, although notable, he was born and now lives in the US.
- Kylie Minogue - kept
- Ben Chifley - replaced with more notable, and fellow Anglo-Celtic, PMs Menzies and Barton.
Most of the time when I've said that the image was of poor quality, it is because the face of the person is difficult to see, which in an article on ethnicity, is an important thing.
Feel free to disagree with any of the choices, and I'll be happy to replace any of the portraits I've selected with a photograph of equal or better quality containing an Australian of equal or higher notoriety, especially if they're not Anglo-Celtic in heritage.
Australian English - major language among European Australians
Of course Australian English is a major language among European Australians - but there are also over 1 million UK-born and over 400 thousand NZ-born Australians, so it stands to reason that there would also be hundreds of thousands of Australians who would be classified as speakers of British or New Zealand English. Because of this, I'm replacing "Australian English" with just "English. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 08:42, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Rupert Murdoch should not be illustrated in the hpotographs
He is not an Australian citizen: he surrendered his citizenship as a condition of gaining the American citizenship necessary to buy American newspapers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 04:59, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
If Asian Australians make up 12% of Australia's population then that means that no more than 88% of that country's population is non-Asian. So how can whoever it was that edited the Article claim that European Australians make up more than 91% of Australia's population?! Obviously that person has also to take the number of, for example the indigenous peoples of Australia. Also, the person that edited the article claims that even the 91% is too little as it doesn't include persons who chose "Australian" ancestry in the census. Well, surely there were many people of non-European ethnic background who choose "Australian" ancestry in the census. Surely many, if not most or all Asian, Indigenous and other Australians of non-European ethnic/racial backgrounds feel at least as "Australian" as European-Australians. Thus I believe the "Australian" category in the Australian census does not or should not refer only to Australians of European ancestry and I am deeply offended by the actions of whoever it was that entered the figure of 91%+ and said that if people who selected "Australian" ancestry were included that this figure would be even larger (implying that people of non-European ancestry living in Australia were not really Australian or not Australian enough). I feel that the person who edited this article is showing very little or no regard and possibly even contempt for Australians of non-European background and I feel that whoever it is very racist.HS123 (talk) 17:15, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Where is your source for 12% Asian Australian? And no one cares if you're offended, go back to China if you don't like it- but then you'd have to live in the third world dystopia that is China so obviously you're going to stay in Australia and bawwww about racism.126.96.36.199 (talk) 07:32, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
The Australian population was 94% white in 2001, 94% of 19 million is about 18 million people. During the next decade the population would have grown by at least 1.5 million taking births and immigration into account, so there should be nearly 20 million white Australians.
The Lebanese and other non-European whites are negligible in terms of total population, so how is it that there are only 18 million European Australians?188.8.131.52 (talk) 07:32, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
- Better yet, let's stop using the word "white" given that it's not even used in the census. The title of this page is "European Australian," so try to stick with that. STEVENJ0HNS 1 (talk) 12:23, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Merge the article into European Australian?
The proposal to merge the two items do not make much sense. Being white is not synonymous with European. Also Arabs and people from the Caucasus are white (so regarded even by US Census Bureau) and many people of the Americas, being them mostly in countries such as USA, Canada, Argentina or Uruguay are also white (and although mayority them are of European descent, many are also of Arab descent). I'm North African - not European - and I'm white.--Isinbill (talk) 23:58, 15 January 2014 (UTC) Agree. I noticed that someone removed the link about Arab and Asian people being regarded as white and left only the European links. Then why don't we remove White American page and merge it to European American? 184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:27, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
I would like to include some information. Most of the information on the page currently makes no reference to European Australians, and also there are few references. Nhjkut (talk) 08:53, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- Point nr1: I'd advise against putting up the Census data as a reliable estimate of population percentage. Ancestry is a multiple choice section in the census form. There are no reliable numbers only estimates ranging from 85% - 92% of total population. NBAkid (talk) 09:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- Point nr2: Also you pretty much butchered the well written informative history section. Add your information in the history section instead of intro and without carpet blanking.NBAkid (talk) 09:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)