Talk:Everyday Is Christmas (album)

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Disambiguation page?[edit]

Should Everyday Is Christmas be converted to a disambiguation page, now that we have this album, which also include a song of the same name? For the record, I've posed this question already at Talk:Everyday Is Christmas, but figured this article will be receiving more traffic. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:23, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Weird. We have an apparently non-notable song (kinda skating by on having been recorded by more than one artist). At the moment, the album gets an article by virtual of being by a notable artist. If the album charts, I figure we'll have a strong enough argument to say the album is at least as notable as the song and go with a disamb page.
In either case, it's a bit sad that two articles are battling it out to be the WP:PRIMARY use of a glaring grammatical error. - SummerPhDv2.0 19:20, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@SummerPhDv2.0: Re: grammatical error: True! Also, the album is guaranteed to chart, and the title track has already appeared on Billboard's Holiday Digital Song Sales chart. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:24, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see an obvious primary topic here, other than arguing that it is not the older song. Unless someone has an argument in favor of the album vs. the current song, I think we're definitely in disamb territory. Should the album go on to significantly outpace the song, we might have a different answer, but that seems unlikely. - SummerPhDv2.0 19:29, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, I'm confused. When you say the title track has charted, do you mean "Everyday is Christmas"? I don't see that it's been released as a single.
If the 2017 song "Everyday..." has not be released as a single, and the 2017 album charts, we might have a reasonable case for calling it the primary topic. Maybe we should give it couple of weeks before bothering? - SummerPhDv2.0 19:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@SummerPhDv2.0: Sorry, I completely misspoke above. The title track has not charted, I just had a complete brain freeze. I struck out my comment above re: the title track charting. Right, so we're just debating the existing song article and this album article. Sia's album will definitely chart, but I don't mind waiting until its release before moving any pages. Sorry for the confusion! ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:55, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear: I'm not pushing to hold off based on the album not officially charting yet (I'm also expecting it will chart on her name alone). I'm just thinking that if the title track is released, we might not have a primary topic and I don't want to bother with shuffling everything around if that is going to happen. - SummerPhDv2.0 21:58, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@SummerPhDv2.0: Let's assume Sia's song won't be notable enough for an independent article. Should we move Everyday Is Christmas (album) to Everyday Is Christmas, and the current Everyday Is Christmas article (about the song) to Everyday Is Christmas (song)? -We can always worry about another move if/when Sia's song becomes notable. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Meh. I don't really care all that much. I kinda doubt anyone is going to be defending the primacy of the other song and I have no clue if the promotional machine would really try to squeeze out a third(-ish) single. Be bold. It's not a big deal. Of course, if it goes south, I'm throwing you under the bus. - SummerPhDv2.0 23:05, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Baha!, ok. I'll see which moves I can make as a non-admin. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:17, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the Everyday Is Christmas article to Everyday Is Christmas (song), and have submitted a technical request to have the album article moved to Everyday Is Christmas. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:20, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@SummerPhDv2.0: Pinging just in case you want to contribute to the move discussion below. Looks like folks may not be ready to move the article until the album is released.... so we might have to do this again in a week's time, lol. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've commented. I'll save the bus for later. - SummerPhDv2.0 21:22, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@SummerPhDv2.0: Curious if you now think the album article should be moved to Everyday Is Christmas -- it has charted in many nations, while the song has not charted. Or, if the song has charted, the article does not reflect this. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:48, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it was uncontroversial 6 months ago. You know how that went. I still think it's obvious, but re-opening the topic would seem to be the next step. - SummerPhDv2.0 14:59, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 November 2017[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved per consensus. Without prejudice to a request in future when the circumstances might change. The final tally was 4 oppose, 1 support (excluding nominator), and one "meh". —usernamekiran(talk) 01:06, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]


– We decided at Talk:Everyday Is Christmas (album) to move the existing Everyday Is Christmas content to Everyday Is Christmas (song), and now we're trying to get the Everyday Is Christmas (album) content to Everyday Is Christmas. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 23:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:28, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object to speedy move Why was this discussed between only two people, instead of being proposed as a proper full-up requested move? This should have an open discussion -- 70.51.45.76 (talk) 05:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Another Believer and 70.51.45.76: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:30, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is an unreleased album, so should not take the primary location. Albums should not be moved until after it is released, when figures are available. Same as any other unreleased product. -- 70.51.45.76 (talk) 07:24, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as 70.51.45.76 and nom, fix the template please. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
....Apart from anything else what guarantee have we got that Sia won't release the title track as a single? There have already been 3 other songs with this title, what's to stop Sia releasing it. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural comment. Note that this edit by 70.51.45.76 munged the syntax, making this a malformed request. I have repaired it. Everyday Is Christmas (disambiguation) is recently created. – wbm1058 (talk) 11:15, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move. Sorry if I did not submit a move request correctly. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:20, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:TOOSOON - the album isn't even out yet, no way to know if it's going to be primary. Also, even it it does become popular, its more likely that the song on the album would be the real primary. -- Netoholic @ 20:13, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Meh - The EW&F song is barely notable (no charts, but covered by multiple artists), so it won't take much to unseat that. The first single from the album is charting and the artist is currently popular so the album will almost certainly chart. The album not charting (or somehow not being released) is highly unlikely. Yeah, it's a bit of crystal balling (as is the question of what if the single of the same name is released and charts and eclipses the album). That said: A) Anyone searching for this now is almost certainly looking for the album 2) In the unlikely event this ends up not being the WP:PRIMARY, undoing it would be minor. The wikilawyer in me wants to hold off, but pragmatically, at this point the move makes sense. - SummerPhDv2.0 21:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"unseat"? making articles difficult to navigate by ambiguous titling is not a contest like Top of the Pops. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:03, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
TL;DR version: I don't care. I think we've over-discussed this.
I'm not advocating for ambiguous titling. Quite the contrary. At the moment most of the searches for "Everyday Is Christmas" are for the Sia album. Barring some sort of cosmic shift, that will continue to be the case until someone else decides to release something else with the same bad title.
Is it possible that the title track will be released, chart and become significantly more notable than the album? Sure. Is it possible that the EW&F cover will suddenly light up the charts? Sure. It's possible that Taylor Swift will legally change her name to "Everyday Is Christmas", creating the biggest upset in the history of the Wikipedia Redirect Hotlist chart. If you'd like to wait a couple of weeks to see if the next album by Sia actually charts (spoiler: it's going to chart), that's fine. If you feel that an album that charts isn't primary relative to a song that didn't chart, I disagree, but not strongly enough to argue. - SummerPhDv2.0 16:45, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I concur with Netoholic; this is jumping the gun when the album hasn't even been released yet. Needs some time AFTER release to assess for common usage. No prejudice against re-discussing in a year, though. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:08, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this arbitrary primarytopic grab. Dicklyon (talk) 03:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

How 'bout now?[edit]

@In ictu oculi, Netoholic, SNUGGUMS, and Dicklyon: Curious if any of you think differently now that the album has been released and has charted in more than a dozen countries? ---Another Believer (Talk) 08:24, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NORUSH. -- Netoholic @ 10:10, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NORUSH. -- and honestly I don't think the record company would thank us for hiding it just when they are trying to market it. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:18, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what we'd be "hiding", but no prob! ---Another Believer (Talk) 13:21, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Moving it now would be WP:Recentism as we haven't really had a chance to assess common usage following its release. Wait at the very least 6 months (preferably a year or longer) before going for another RM. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:34, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, everything is perfect the way it is. Everyday Is Christmas is one of the best developed dab pages on Wikipedia that I have seen and I see no need for a primary topic in this case. JE98 (talk) 16:13, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Voice performances[edit]

Sia performed "Titanium" and "Snowman" on the finale of The Voice. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:53, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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