Talk:Fantômas

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Poster[edit]

The poster, if anyone is interested, is based on Return of the Flame by Rene Magritte. In the original painting, he is holding a white rose in his hand. Mon Vier 16:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake - it was the other way round. Magritte based the painting on the book cover. Mon Vier 17:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does Fantomas deserve inclusion in the Anti-Hero category? He's not portrayed sympathetically, but it deserves consideration.


Just followed the link from Russian joke and in that context this article does not make much sense to me.

For me the Fantômas is associated more with this entry in IMDB [1]. I mean an elusive villain employing latex masks for infiltrarion among his victims, having his own face permanently replaced by dark bluish mask, making living with theft and extortion. I know that Russian pop-culture has nothing to do with main features of this charater, but should not there be at least move then one reference to Juve contre Fantômas.

Souce for this claim?[edit]

Is there a source for this claim? "The name "Fantômas" comes from the fusion of two French words, "fantôme" and "as", and translates to "Ace Ghost".

The usual story is that Allain came up with the name "Fantômus", but the publisher misread it as "Fantômas" and advertised it as such. Don't know if that's true either, but unless there's some source for the "fantôme" "as" notion, it should be removed.

Answer: The origin of the name, told by Marcel Allain years later, is that Pierre Souvestre (who is the only one who contracted with the publisher Artheme Fayard) came with the name Fantômus, which was misread by someone in the publisher's house as Fantômas. Many tales told by Marcel Allain are fake. But for sure there is no source for the claim that "The name "Fantômas" comes from the fusion of two French words, "fantôme" and "as", and translates to "Ace Ghost". This story is unsourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:2FDC:71D0:49DA:D580:3206:1415 (talk) 07:16, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, can anyone confirm this for me? I read somewhere that Fantomas and Erik, Gaston Leroux's "Phantom of the Opera" were cross-pollinated ideas. Can't remember where I saw it, I'll post the source as soon as I can track it down...

Appropriateness Question[edit]

This is Mark Steele, AKA --Icarus 23 , the person that did the 'Daughter of Fantomas' translation. Right now I also have my name mentioned in the ILLUMINATUS! article, since I started the comics version. Is it appropriate for me to start a page on myself, since these are both commercial products from me? Please discuss on my User Talk page. Thank you.

Arabela[edit]

Not many people here may know this,but the Fantomas character featured as "Fantomas" ,in the exact same mask and spoken by his own czech synchronist,in the czech(oslovakian) "modern" "fairy"tale series "Arabela".Now I dont know,but I have a felling that this may have posed a copyright infrigment in its time.

New Babylon 2 19:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's a parody cameo. Similarly, in some russian comedies of the 70's, Fantomas appears or at least mentioned.Garret Beaumain (talk) 17:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not really.
  1. It is not a parody. Fantomas is shown as a typical "citizen" of the "Empire of Fairytales for Adults". It is not satiric or ironic appearance.
  2. Especially in the sequal Arabela returns, Fantomas plays a very important role in the whole series. He is not just "mentioned".
Miraceti (talk) 21:04, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hollywood[edit]

The reference to Hollywood production methods strikes me as a footnote at best. Certainly not noteworthy or broadly sourced enough to be in the introduction. If a case isn't made otherwise, I'm going to move it below (or out). The fact that they worked quickly and exchanged chapters is germane, bet the connection to Hollywood is one source's pov. Focomoso (talk) 22:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese animation[edit]

Is there any reason for not mentioning the japanese (animated) version of Fantomas?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l13TZlgZm2A

--Hatredman (talk) 15:33, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion[edit]

This article is missing important information and some of its information remains unsourced. The article is also missing an infobox which should be added to the article. The article should also include information on the character's fictional biography and publication history which needs to be added to the article. All of these changes and additions need to occur in order for this article to meet Wikipiedia's standards and guidelines of a well developed and properly sourced article.--Paleface Jack (talk) 20:24, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article is also poorly written and needs to be rewritten entirely. I will include the link to a template on how to properly develop an article here--Paleface Jack (talk) 20:00, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Separate page created for Major rewrites[edit]

Hello everyone. Just been looking over this article and I am saddened to see this article (like many articles) in such as state of poor development considering how significant the character is. Since the general scope of the article and the things that need to be done in order to get it up to GA and FA status, I have created a separate article page for any major rewrites, and expansion that is open for anyone who is willing to spend time working on this article. I will be doing some work to this article in that revision draft but I will need to have people who are interested in working on this since the general scope is massive and way too big for just one person to work on. If anyone is interested please let me know on my talk page and I will give you the link to the revision draft. If more than one or two people work on this with me then we can fix and expand this article in no time.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:06, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the link to the userspace that will be used for rewriting and expanding the article. User:Paleface Jack/Fantômas (revision)--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:57, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Two books merged in translation?[edit]

In subsection By Allain and Souvestre, the last two novels are listed as

  • 31. La Cravate de Chanvre (1913, transl. 2017 by Sheryl Curtis as The Death of Fantomas)
  • 32. La Fin de Fantômas (1913, transl. 2017 by Sheryl Curtis as The Death of Fantomas)

Unless the translations of La Cravate... and La Fin... were combined into a single title, this must be a mistake.

These identical translation notes, though not the identical dates of publication, were added on 9 September 2017 by IP user 70.239.3.71 (diff), whose only other contribution, two minutes earlier, was to add The Limb of Satan as the UK title of book #6 in this section, Le Policier Apache (The Long Arm of Fantômas).

--Thnidu (talk) 00:54, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to be correct. Please note it's an adaptation and not a translation. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 20:17, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Comte0: Thanks. --Thnidu (talk) 01:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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