Talk:Novorossiya (confederation)

Deletion of source

An editor has deleted a citation to the same source twice. I object to this deletion. The source is useful because it has a video of terrorist leader Alexander Zakharchenko speaking in Shevchenko Boulevard in Donetsk.

1. First time Edit summary = "Alexander Zakharchenko quote/ suspension of project ) Better source more understandable! feel free to revert if you think you can do better or i am wrong"
2. Second time Edit summary = "This info resist site gave me spyware/bloatware every time i start my computer a inforesist tab pops up on the bottom right of my computer if you wish to re add this reference please bring it to the the talk page"

The editor says that the website puts spyware on his computer. But many news sites do this - for example the English newspaper the Daily Telegraph puts tracking cookies on your computer every time you access it unless you do so using private browsing.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:21, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

I have restored the source, and changed http: to https: to try to resist cookies from the site. The site worked on my computer using private browsing.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:40, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

@Toddy1: OK well i just did do a spyware check on my pc and nothing was found.

I dont care enough to argue with you about the reference. But it was strange when i started my computer on several occasions a inforesist banner ::appeared than receded from the bottom right hand side of my pc desktop. Its not that doing it now though. Possibly there is another site that has a ::video of Alexander Zakharchenko . I will let you know if the problem returns ThanksSassmouth (talk) 09:36, ::10 August 2016 (UTC)

Does YouTube accept him? PLEASE HELP WOUNDED MPRP THAT IS THE MONGOLIAN COMMUNIST PARTY THEY ARE AT THE TAGUS GRIEVOUSLY INJURED AND CALLED POORLY FOR HELP HELP PLEASE THE AMBULANCES ARE 00 351 243 333 122 AND 00 351 243 377 900 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.108.66.156 (talk) 09:57, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

The geographic relationship of the confederation and the ATO

An editor thought that one of the sentences was "convoluted language".[1]

• Original: "Within Ukraine, the proposed confederation was located in the so-called Anti-Terrorist Operation Zone."
• Tachypaidia's attempted rewording: "The territories claimed by confederation are called the Anti-Terrorist Operation Zone by Ukraine."[2]
• Toddy1's attempted rewording: "The proposed confederation is in Ukraine's so-called Anti-Terrorist Operation Zone."[3]

I disagree with Tachypaidia's attempted rewording because the ATO is very much larger than the confederation. At the point where the sentence starts, the reader has been introduced to the concept that the confederation would have included Lugansk and Donetsk and surrounding territory. There is a map in the infobox along those lines too. This is understandable.

If you wanted to include territory claimed by Father Christmas, then this would need to be explained first. In that case, the claimed territories probably exceed the size of the ATO, because they include about 75% of pre-1939 Ukraine.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:24, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Following up on Toddy1's response, the problem with the original text, is:

(a) "within Ukraine" dodges the "who", i.e., subject; it simply claiming a territory, and the poor use of the passive voice.

(b) "so-called" is a weasel word here.

(c) the text is achronological. It appears that the ATO zone already existed and the rebels decided to locate Novorossiya there.

With regard to your objection regarding the boarders, I would suggest the following revision: "Ukraine has designated the confederation as lying within an Anti-Terrorist Operation Zone.

Tachypaidia (talk) 08:06, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

in my opnion so called is a weasel word here as far as what the passage should say I'm not sure I hope you guys can work it outSassmouth (talk) 20:37, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

I would suggest: "Ukraine calls the territory of the confederation and the larger theater of operations: "the Anti-Terrorist Operation Zone."" Tachypaidia (talk) 05:41, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

I would suggest: "Ukraine calls the territory occupied by confederation and the surrounding theater of operations: "the Anti-Terrorist Operation Zone."" Just an idea the both of you know much more about this than me so you two are ultimately the ones who need to decideSassmouth (talk) 07:01, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Novorussia

There us no Novorussia.It's Ukraine. Daniloi2001 (talk) 18:19, 5 October 2017 (UTC)