Talk:Fedora

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On 21 January 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Fedora (hat). The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Fedoras in early American society[edit]

In this section, it is suggested that other styles of brimmed hats include the Panama.

That is not correct; a Panama is a close-woven brimmed straw hat, made in Ecuador. It is not a style of hat. In fact a Panama hat is often in the Fedora style.

The remark is attributed to Hardy Amies; I can't check the citation, because it is a book to which I don't have access. However Hardy Amies was a fashion designer, not a specialist in the history of hats, particularly.

I intend to remove Panama from this list. MrDemeanour (talk) 14:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

James Toback sentence?[edit]

The last sentence under In Popular Culture is about a fairly obscure film writer liking fedoras. Does it really fit in with a discussion of the repopularization of the hat? When I see things like that it looks like the subject himself inserted it to make a name or himself. He’s definitely not on par with Timberlake, who actually did popularize the hat without question. Alexandermoir (talk) 12:41, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move title 'Fedora' to 'Fedora Linux'[edit]

I see no reason to keep Fedora (hat) primary of this, as statistics show that Fedora Linux is searched and read much more. Most people probably mean Fedora Linux operating system when they say "Fedora", not a hat. Fedora (hat) is just one of many hat types. --Heikkikoskinen (talk) 01:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Heikkikoskinen: If you want to start a formal move request, please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves. That said, before you do: There's a long history of Wikipedians overestimating the primary-topic-ness of tech brands and terms versus the things they're named after. I've seen it come up with Android, Bug, and Amazon. There's not a lot of cases where we've decided that a brand is the primary topic over the thing it's named after, and you'd need to provide strong evidence that this is one. From what I can see, only about 15% of people viewing this article then click the link to Fedora Linux, a lower percentage than click on to Homburg hat. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 01:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 January 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Early close per WP:SNOW: there is already an overwhelming consensus not to move. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 11:50, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fedora → Fedora (hat) – Reduce confusion and enter a more descriptive name for article. Heikkikoskinen (talk) 00:13, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:30, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The current title is the result of a previous (albeit old) consensus, but more importantly I don't think the proposal is uncontroversial because there's a strong argument that the hat – a level-5 vital article – is in fact the primary topic. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fedora#Move_title_'Fedora'_to_'Fedora_Linux' --Heikkikoskinen (talk) 01:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Heikkikoskinen and Extraordinary Writ:. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:30, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I prefer that the hat remain the primary topic on grounds of long-term significance. This RM basically is another one of those long-term significance vs. usage debates. But the hat is still a current level-5 vital article, and the fact that the operating system was named after the hat (just like Apple Inc. was named after Apple). Zzyzx11 (talk) 11:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, I think the hat is primary.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose clearly the hat is the wp:pt—blindlynx 15:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NWFCTM is worth mentioning here too—blindlynx 15:48, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above. 162 etc. (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Fedora (disambiguation) In ictu oculi (talk) 18:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose Obvious primary topic by historical significance._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:47, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per my comment in the section above. The clickstream clearly shows that most people who come to this page find what they're looking for. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 01:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose basically what others have said. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 03:21, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Snowclose, the hat is obviously primary. O.N.R. ^(talk) 05:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per all the above. Hats off! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:55, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The hat has long-term significance. Dimadick (talk) 17:30, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Even though I'm a techie, I acknowledge the long-term significance of the hat. Favonian (talk) 19:20, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Fedoras are commonly associated with neckbeards in online culture[edit]

It should be fairly easy to find sources for this too. In fact I think the vice article linked does talk about neckbeards. Wikipedia should stay relevant to contemporary internet culture, where there's a stereotype associated with people who wear such hats.--Phil of rel (talk) 21:38, 28 January 2022 (UTC) EDIT: it looks like someone removed the vice article from this article. This is the article I'm talking about [1]--Phil of rel (talk) 21:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]