Talk:Fernando de Noronha

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Everything is dead[edit]

I visited Fernando de Noronha a few months ago...in Brazil it's considered the #1 vacation spot, "most beautiful place on earth" etc. So I was shocked to discover that the vast majority of vegetation on the island is dead! Apparently, over the last few years/decades (not sure), there's been some kind of plant disease that has ravaged the main island. What used to be lush and green is now brown and dry. Unfortunately I don't know any of the specifics, but I believe this merits a special section on the page, and if anyone knows more details about it, could they please add it! Thanks, Michael

Hi Michael, this is something of a "dirty secret" of Fernando de Noronha, most of the forest was actually cut down during the time the island was used as a prison. There's also the problem of linseed, which was introduced as a cattle feed and now it is out of control, choking what's left of the original vegetation. Without the plant cover, the island doesn't retain as much water during the dry season and the plant life looks brown and dry. I've added a section about this. I've also 'downgraded' the diving section - it certainly is the best diving spot in Brazil but certainly not "one of the best in the world" - certainly inferior to the Caribbean and Australia - my sister, a diving instructor who lived and worked both in Noronha and the Caribbean, can attest to that.Tom-b 01:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Hour[edit]

Why is there a link here to the article, "Hour"?Unfree (talk) 17:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

island facilities[edit]

There seem to be over 100 inns on the island as places to stay. This seems utterly incredible. http://www.noronha.com.br/english/pousadae.htm

I only found this out while investigating the islands' telephone service, country code +51, area code 81, and eight digits starting with 3619. GBC (talk) 05:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It's actually quite possibly accurate. However, keep in mind that many of these establishments is just a room with a bed in somebody's house, or with the capacity to house just a few people. The national park site somewhere claim that the island receives somewhere around 2000 tourists pr month. Most tourists stay just 3 days or so. This means there are roughly 6000 nights of sleeping that must be accommodated per month. There are no large hotels around, only tiny guesthouses and a couple of fairly small hotels. As long as you can make your way to the island (on one of the two daily planes, one from Recife and one from Natal), it's easy to find somewhere to stay on the island.
Then again, that list you link to does not say anything about how updated it is.
Bjørn Christian Tørrissen (talk) 21:27, 4 June 2009 (GMT)
 Yes, there are some government reports showing how many of the "inns" are actually residences turned into small bed and breakfasts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:7F7:D389:4BF:1D36:55C:C3F6:68EC (talk) 00:14, 19 September 2016 (UTC) 

In favor of the exclusion of spot news[edit]

Editors have added mention of airplane crash that occurred 400 to 450 miles from this archipelago. This is inappropriate content because the crash really has nothing to do with this place. At 400 miles distance, Fernando de Noronha island isn't even near the crash site, it's merely the nearEST landfall. I request editors to consider that Wikipedia's entries on the history of New York City and the history of Paris do not list every disaster that ever occurred within 400 miles of those places. Hurmata (talk) 23:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it is relevant information. Fernando de Noronha is where the search and rescue task-force is being based. "Bodies and plane wreckage were being transported by ship and should arrive Monday at Brazilian islands of Fernando de Noronha, where the military has set up a staging post for the search operation." (Ref) "The frigate is due to return tomorrow to the islands of Fernando de Noronha, where the search teams have established a co-ordination outpost." (Ref). Both the Brazilian Navy and the Brazilian Air Force are operating out of Fernando de Noronha in the SAR mission. Limongi (talk) 00:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I think it's relevant for now. The archipelago receives a lot of mention in news all over the world, and most people have never heard about the place. Many will Google Fernando de Noronha and end up here. It's good that these visitors see that they have come to the right place, and they may be impressed by seeing updated information regarding the search operation that is based on the island. When the string of events leading up to the crash has been mapped, and more information than we have today is known, we should decided whether and how this article should mention the tragedy. For now, though, let's keep it updated with what we know. : Bjørn Christian Tørrissen (talk) 13:05, 8 June 2009 (GMT)
I agree with Hurmata. The island really has nothing to do with the crash except for relative proximity. Sure, there are a few ships and aircraft that are using it as a refueling stop, and it gets mentioned in the news, but the crash isn't mentioned in Rio de Janeiro, nor Paris, nor Brazil, nor France, nor Natal, Rio Grande do Norte (closest large city). What this is is just trivia. If people are interested in the crash, they will google "Air France 447". I think they will have enough sense to google an island for information about an island, and google a crash when they want information about the crash.
I know my (and Hurmata's) opinion is in the minority, so I'm not going to push too hard for complete removal of all mention of the crash. While I don't think a one or two sentence blurb about the crash is completely inappropriate, this is definitely not the place to be adding specifics, like how many bodies have been found, what kind of debris has been recovered, etc. For that, people should click on the link to the article on the crash. – jaksmata 18:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
"For now, let's keep the topical news, and maybe delete it after people have lost interest". That is just what an encyclopedia is NOT intended for. Hurmata (talk) 03:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm just saying that from what information we have today, Fernando was the last place to have any contact with the plane that later appears to have crashed into the ocean. Let's hope further investigation explains more of what happened, but until then there *is* a relation between the island and the plane crash that may or may not be important. Anyway, I don't have a strong opinion about it, and I see that Hurmata has just gone ahead and done what Hurmata thinks is the right thing to do. I wouldn't be surprised if someone soon adds a bit about the accident again, but it won't be me. #8D) Bjørn Christian Tørrissen (talk) 18:05, 9 June 2009 (GMT)
We should not mention the tragic crash of Air France Flight 447 here unless there's some remnant or major effect at Fernando de Noronha itself - like a permanent memorial - and there wouldn't be at this early stage. It looks very naive to have a line essentially saying "this was the nearest land settlement to where the Air France plane was thought to have ditched." People interested in this place will search for it; people wanting to find out about the Air France crash will search for that. Presumably, if it is relevent, the name of this place will be mentioned in the crash article, with a link. That takes care of it. Format (talk) 19:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Former French colony?[edit]

Discussion initiated on this talk page, continued on WikiProject Brazil and copied here for history purposes.

Hello,

Article Fernando de Noronha and Category:Fernando de Noronha are categorized as Former French colonies, but the article says nothing about it. Which one is true? Place Clichy (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

The Portuguese language article says the archipelago was once invaded by the French East India Company, and that it was even renamed as "Isle Dauphine", but they were expelled one year later. Not sure that makes the island a former French colony. Victão Lopes Fala! 17:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict, sorry) Unfortunately the Category:Former French Colonies has no definition. To my knowledge FdN was not a "Colony" in proper sense, but it just had been occupied by ships of the French West India Company (captain Lesquelin) on 6 Sept. 1736 for a short time until 1737, when the Crown decided to take it over again, added to Captaincy of Pernambuo, and to colonize. The French renamed the island to Île Dauphine or Île Delphine. The Netherlands had left FdN before, but constructed 8 smaller fortifications, one is pt:Forte de Nossa Senhora dos Remédios de Fernando de Noronha, where the French might have been. Compare also main article pt:Invasões francesas do Brasil, after 1737 this fortification has been reconstructed.
One of the cited sources is: Augusto Fausto de Sousa: Fortificações no Brasil. In: Revista trimensal do Instituto Histórico, Geográfico e Ethnográphico Brasileiro, Rio de Janeiro, vol. 48, 1885, part 2, pp. 5-140, see p. 19, 81 (online). [The RIHGB has misprinted volume: tomo XLVIII]. Hopefully it helps a little. --Emeritus (talk) 18:12, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

This is an interesting question and very thoughtful answers. I looked through this article, list, and template on frwiki and saw no mention of Fernando de Noronha:

Based on all of the above, I can see no reason to include Fernando de Noronha in the category Former French colonies. giso6150 (talk) 22:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

@Victor Lopes, Emeritus, and Giso6150: Thank you for your input. Following this discussion, I'll remove Category:Former French colonies from article Fernando de Noronha and Category:Fernando de Noronha. Discussion copied there. Place Clichy (talk) 07:50, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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