Talk:Final Fantasy V

Gameplay and the fact tag

The distinction between original research and inherent fact is sometimes very slight, but in the Gameplay section of this article, two consecutive sentences describing the most basic principles of the game's mechanics were slapped with a "fact" tag. Why? The sentences in question contain information so basic that one probably would never be able to find any other written text to cite. That doesn't make it wrong. It just means that it is obvious, and that anyone who has ever played the game would be in complete agreement. I understand the crusade to keep Wikipedia plagiarism- and error-free, but this is an instance of bringing the book down a little too hard on a section whose contents are inherently true because of the nature of the game. (For that matter, I think that the experience points and saving stuff would probably be better-suited in a general RPG article and not here, but if it's going to be here, I think it best to leave well enough alone.)67.246.112.242 (talk) 01:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.112.242 (talk) 01:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposing merger of Character page

There appears to be no outside universe information, reaction, design information, or anything like that. Since it appears that none is available, and exactly this sort of information is available on the Final Fantasy Wikia, I propose the Characters of Final Fantasy V be merged into this article to bolster it for Featured Article status. Judgesurreal777 20:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Faris is Yoshitaka Amano's favourite design with Terra Branford though, I don't remember the source but it's worth mentioning somewhere. Kariteh 21:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I disagree strongly. There is way too much information in the characters article for it all to be mereged comfortably into the main article. Besides which, FFV has generated a spinoff (a ridiculous, laughably bad spinoff, but it exists nonetheless). 69.37.32.196 03:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Geez, wonder who this could be...this article is a ton of trivia and in-universe information that belongs at the Final Fantasy wiki. If it does deserve its own article, it will need "out of universe" reactions, and information on the creation of these characters, which, if it doesn't exist, means it doesn't deserve its own article . Judgesurreal777 04:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Translation "Inaccuracies"

I removed a quip about Reina being a mistranslation of Lenna, and X-Death of Exdeath. Despite the fact that later rereleases changed to the latter spelling, neither are wrong on their face. Reina and Lenna would be pronounced near identically in Japanese, Exdeath is a simple spelling choice. Exdeath is appearently supposed to be Exodus anyway (according to Tactics Advance and XII, anyway). So they're not mistranslations, they're just different.Xenon Zaleo 08:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Exodus is indeed clearly intended to be a reference to Exdeath, but I'm pretty sure their names are not spelt the same way in Japanese. Kinda like Famfrit the Darkening Cloud is a reference to the FFIII Dark Cloud even though they don't have the same name and exact same title. Kariteh 08:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I think Famfrit is sorta different in its description that makes it obvious that it's supposed be a bit different from the Dark Cloud, they call it a container of sorts. Exdeath and Exodus are a little different in that the two could be spelled the same in Japanese. I'm not saying it should be changed mind you, it was just a point to illustrate that Translation is an art, not a science, and the aformentioned "errors" aren't really errors at all. It's questionable whether "The N-Zone" should be referenced in this way either, as that seems to be a conscious change akin to the "Butz" to "Bartz" thing. Xenon Zaleo 15:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Exdeath and Exodus are not spelt the same way in the Japanese games (whereas "Butz" and Bartz are), that was my only point. Kariteh 17:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

To-do List

I was thinking of helping to get this article to featured status by doing some of the things on the to-do list, but I'm pretty new to all this and not sure what some of them mean (I know the "Attain FA Status"). So if someone could tell me what they mean, hopefully I'll be able to help. Thanks. Arrowny 22:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

"Add English version(s) script references" means we need to find the script of the dialogue of the version of the game that was translated into english, like Final Fantasy V advance, and use the text as references and cite the plot, setting and character sections.

"Expand development as references permit" means find information about how the game was developed and help expand the section with those details. We aren't sure how many there will be, so that's why its "as references permit".

"Copyedit whole article extensively" means copyedit, or improve the writing of the article, which is a big aspect of Featured Article candidacy.

Judgesurreal777 02:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

RPGe nominated for deletion

the people who first translated final fantasy v are being nominated for deletion. this is insane. voice your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RPGe 209.209.214.5 05:54, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review Suggestions

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• Again, shouldn't there be links in the plot story section?
• Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), months and days of the week generally should not be linked. Years, decades, and centuries can be linked if they provide context for the article.^[?]
• Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Build the web, years with full dates should be linked; for example, link January 15, 2006.^[?]
• As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), dates shouldn't use ^th; for example, instead of using January 30^th was a great day, use January 30 was a great day.^[?]

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, DrKiernan 14:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Think we can do that as well as the todo list for FA status? Thanks. Greg Jones II 15:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I certainly hope so. These problems in the suggestions can easily be solved, but some of the objectives will take a bit more time because of the digging involved. Most of those were posted around this time last year, and nothing's happened since then. ~ Hibana 17:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if I agree with the "links in the plot story section" suggestion; it would encourage overlinking. The rest looks good as manual of style reminders. — Deckiller 20:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

FAC?

It just needs some touching up; it'll probably be ready for FAC by the end of the week. Hibana should have the honors of nominating the article for FAC. — Deckiller 12:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The only major things I see are:

• Prose strengthening
• Story section trim and perhaps a few more script cites
• Reviews box for reception and criticism (and possibly an expansion of that section).

It's getting close, but am I talking to a wall? — Deckiller 16:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Probably needs some editors with free time to respond to that, Decky boy. — Blue。 16:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

As I said, I'll do this ASAP. Axem Titanium 16:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright. Those are the only issues I see, so we're well on the way. I keep wanting to work on this article too, but something always comes up. — Deckiller 16:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

About the Reviews box, which I'll be doing if you don't mind, do you want the score for both the old-school or the FFVAdvance? — Blue。 17:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I think both scores would be good, especially if they are from the same source/website. — Deckiller 17:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Please do not call me "Decky boy". — Deckiller 16:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Spur of the moment. So, let's get back to business then. — Blue。 17:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

The chart looks nice. Perhaps we can segregate the section into the original/PSX versions and the GBA version? — Deckiller 20:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

One last minute question; did Famitsu ever review the original game or any of the re releases? That would be a great mention. Judgesurreal777 04:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

There's FFV Advance, at least.[1] Kariteh 09:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

SFC and PS1 versions were rated too according to this source that we can't use unfortunately: [2] Kariteh 09:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

FFCompendium

Is this a reliable source? Kariteh 20:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not certain, but I noticed it was used once in Final Fantasy IV. If you doubt it, remove it along with the statement it substantiates. ~ Hibana 21:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

looking for the last final fantasy for computer that does not require on-line play —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.49.190.64 (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

FFV remake for the Nintendo DS

Are there plans for one? FFIV DS was released one month ago in Japan. Hellcat fighter (talk) 09:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Probably not, as they worked the original game quite a bit for FF V Advance.Cyrus Beautor (talk) 01:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Though, FFIV did get both a GBA and DS remake despite the former's existence. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

It's inevitable. They seem to be systematically rereleasing the ones that are harder to find, and V is pretty damn hard to find --A Chain Of Flowers (talk) 09:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Low Level game play

There is a way to finish the game in extremely low level (specifically lv 2, 2, 2, 3 or 2, 1, 1, 4) by a special combination of abilities and items, since boss characters grant no EXP and only a few enemies must be fought. While this could be sourced from 2 Chinese sites,(Fantastical Finality and [www.ffsky.com FFsky]) and is totally verifiable(anyone can try it for themselves by following the procedures). Should this be added into the article? Similar Game play could be played in FF VI, FF VIII and FF X-2 also. (In which the Ultimania guide of VIII and X-2 included the procedures of doing so) FF X Japanese version could be finished without using the sphere grid. But I guess I limit my question on FF V for now since it is the first game that could do so due to the job system. MythSearcher^talk 17:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Low-level games fall under game guide-like content and the fact that a low-level game is possible in this game is not particularly notable since nearly every RPG has a similar possibility. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

If we throw in a low-level trick for this game, then every game will start including both real tips and obvious hoaxes. It will not stop without an admin locking the page down.Cyrus Beautor (talk) 01:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

It is not a game guide as long as no method is given here. I propose something like this: Due to the game features bosses with no EXP, it is possible to finish the game with level 2 and 3 characters with a special method.[ref1][ref2] Other RPGs do not have this possibility as long as the bosses(must-fight-enemies) have EXP and the characters will simply die against high level enemies without abilities and items to stop their attack and reasonable way to damage the enemies. For example, in FFV, the knight got an ability to block all physical attacks and an ability to protect seriously damaged allies, combination provide an unbreakable shield against physical attack of all enemies. And the last boss could simply be killed by a summon of Odin by the magical item oil lamp. While in most other games, you simply get killed by a simple attack when facing high level enemies if you are way lower in level.

The concern of hoaxes is not a wikipedia concern, WP:AGF and also, citations are needed when such things appear. MythSearcher^talk 06:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's appropriate for an encyclopedia. Axem Titanium (talk) 01:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it is notable due to it being the first FF with bosses having no EXP and newer ones followed the system. MythSearcher^talk 08:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I still don't think it contributes anything particularly meaningful to understanding of the game. Axem Titanium (talk) 13:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

It is a feature of the game that was kept as a common element of the series. MythSearcher^talk 15:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Source? Axem Titanium (talk) 01:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Provided in above in the first paragraph: Fantastical Finality and FFsky.

Why revert?

Noticed my (somewhat minor) corrections to the Story section have been reverted. Why? The information was innacurate; I know this game quite literally like the back of my hand. Played it through dozens of times. Check your facts.

This because I used a College IP?

Probably because we need to keep such details to a minimum and avoid any redundancies, not because of our college IP. — Blue。 13:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Using my actual login this time, sorry for being lazy about that before.

Okay, I understand what you're saying about keeping things concise. Here though, it is at the expense of the accuracy of the information. Boko does NOT force Bartz to return for Lenna and Galuf; they continue in the direction they were originally going through an earthquake. Lenna and Galuf just happened to be there. They do NOT escape from Guido's Island before Exdeath sinks it; they are lifted out of the water by the Wind Drake. And they are dispatched to protect, not dispel the seals on the Crystals in the Master Tree; sadly they were attacked by the seals and forced to defend themselves, after which Exdeath turned up and took control of the Crystals. These facts are not reflected; indeed contrary impressions are given. This should be rectified, which is what I was about. I'm not going to do this again at risk of starting an edit war; we should try for consensus on this - I was under the impression Wikipedia was supposed to be accurate as a cornerstone policy? EDIT: Had another look, it seems I broke the page by mistake. I'll have a look at the situation. --Targ Collective (talk) 14:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

GA contested

Kind of. I noticed a citation needed tag, and after searching the article, I found 17 citation needed tags. That's way too many for a GA, and it should've been picked up immediately. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Well there had been an issue of unreliable sources used in the article, so I cut out all the unreliable ones, cut some text, sourced stuff, and then labelled everything that needed to be sourced. I think took a break for a while, so I guess I'll get back on that now :) I'm still trying to go for FA with this article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 14:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

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Result: delisted MuZemike 16:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

The article has large portions of content which is unsourced or poorly sourced (note: I have added additional {{fact}}, {{or}}, and {{rs}} tags before this review to indicate content not backed by the next cited reliable source, original research, or user-generated unreliable sources.) It would not pass GA criterion #2. Also there seems to be undue weight on the Story section, which is too long and detailed compared to the rest of the content (goes against the MoS, failing criterion #1b). MuZemike 23:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

• The story is a bit too detailed for the (lack of) complexity, though nothing drastic enough to really call it "undue weight"; a simple trim could free it up by 10-20 percent. As for the references, I agree with most of the tags. — Deckiller 01:00, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

After a week and no substantial improvements to the article, I am delisting the article from GA status and reassessing as B-Class. Article can be renominated for GA after said improvements have been made. MuZemike 16:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

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Prose concerns

• From the lead: These Crystals act as a seal on Exdeath, an evil sorcerer who once threatened their world. → whose world? Rewrite to make more specific.
  • Tweaked it, removed the world bit and left it at "an evil sorcerer". Looks better now.
• The first paragraph in the Story subsection is too long. Paragraphs that are too long trail off and distract the reader. They need to be split up into smaller paragraphs (the aim should be between four and seven sentences total).
• From the Story subsection: They eventually learn the crystals are a seal binding the warlock Exdeath, who was once bent on destroying their world. → Who? The crystals or Exdeath? Rewrite to clarify.
• However, the warriors are blown to a distant continent when a barrier is activated during their escape. Thanks to Krile and other new allies, they make their way to Bal Castle, Galuf's kingdom. → I don't know what it is (perhaps peacockery or maybe in-universe drabble), but I'm not jiving well with these two sentences.
• From the Reception and Legacy section: IGN noted Final Fantasy V's graphics as "dated", but cited "incredibly engrossing" job system as the game's highlight, and further praised its music. → The comma placement makes no sense here and is grammatically incorrect. I think the only way I can see to correct this is to split this into two sentences, unless you know of a better way.
• They further noted that the while the game's characters seemed unlikable and that the plot felt "predictable or trite", both were superior to many of today's games,... → It's the passive voice after the comma that needs to be addressed; it doesn't read that the reviewers said that the game is superior. Rewrite that portion in active voice.
• The first three sentences in the Sequel subsection are written in passive voice. Rewrite in active voice.

MOS concerns

• Usage of the word "note": The word "note" is used throughout the Reception and Legacy section and should be substituted for something else more neutral per the words to avoid (WP:SAY) guideline, as usage of the word in this context suggest authoritativeness, which takes away on neutrality.
• Usage of the word "however" to editorialize: From the Reception and Legacy section: However, GameDaily gave the game a score of 7/10,... → "however" is being used to editorialize (see Wikipedia:Words to avoid#However, although, whereas, despite; the other occurrence in the Plot section seems OK as it's not used for that purpose). Rewrite without using that or other words to avoid listed in that guideline.

Verifability/OR concerns

• In the Characters subsection, do the sources (the strategy guides, which I do not have either) mentioned back the following statements? (I ask because one would not normally find such information in such strategy guides)
  • Final Fantasy V features five player characters, only four of which are playable at a given time.
  • (keeping the series tradition of having a character named Cid)
  • One of Exdeath's henchmen, Gilgamesh, is a recurring mini-boss, who would later appear in other games such as Final Fantasy VIII and Final Fantasy XII.
• Referencing in the Plot section needs to be improved a bit more. For instance, I cannot see how references 11 (just partly), 12, 15, 17, 18, 19, and 20 (all quotes straight from the game) adequately back all of the content given. While the content is written fine according to the writing about fiction guideline, I think the content given within those references go past what the sources give, basically showing original research. As I mentioned in the GAR (Talk:Final Fantasy V/GA1), it might help that the Plot section be trimmed down a bit, which may help remove some of the OR in there and preserve balance with the rest of the content in the article.

Other comments

• Remember that if the information is already cited in the body of the article, then it is not necessary to cite them again in the lead.
  • Thanks, I was unsure about that...had it arise with MissingNo. not too long ago where that GAN reviewer insisted I put the sources in the lead as well.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
    • No, as long as they are reliably cited in the body of the article, it's OK. In fact, some FARC reviewers can and do oppose on the account of the presence of citations in the lead (with the exception of quotes, of course) as citations in the lead are not aesthetically pleasing to readers' eyes upon first glance of the article. MuZemike 18:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
• I don't know if it fits in the article, but having played the SNES fan translation, the PS1 version, and the GBA versions all the way through and being very cognizant of the differences in terminologies used amongst different versions, it may help to include the different terminology used in that version; for instance "The Rift" in other versions of FFV was called the "Cleft of Dimensions" in the fan translation (and I think it was called something even different in the GBA versions, I want to say "Interdimensional Rift", but not having the game on me right now, I'm not certain).
• We no longer link dates that are not relevant to the article (which in this article, there should be none which are relevant). I saw and removed many linked dates in the citations, but I'll take a deeper look at citation structure later; just wanted to comment on that right now.
• I think we would do without a couple of section headings, as WP:LAYOUT discourages usage of sections or subsections for content that only comprises of a single paragraph. For instance, I would argue that the "Active Time Battle", "Early localization...", the subsections of the Re-releases section are not necessary. That can be discussed later on as to how to approach that.

Discussion

I'm up to the Plot section right now in my comb-through of the article. My notebook is starting to run out of juice, so I'll have to pick this review up a little later. MuZemike 17:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I will have to pick up this review in about three days from now as I will shortly be taking my 4th of July wikibreak, unless someone else would like to finish, then I don't have a problem. MuZemike 02:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Completed (hopefully) review. See additional concerns noted above in their separate sections. GAN placed on hold until the necessary corrections can be made. Feel free to ask any questions and/or discuss if need be. MuZemike 18:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Tackled almost everything here. I don't think it's going to do much good for causal readers to mention the different translations for the Rift...it's a lot like the whole thing with fan translations of FF6 using "Spirit Beasts" vs. Espers or Shogun vs. General: one's more exact to the original japanese, but that's about it. It gets more confusing when in FF8 Gilgamesh calls it "dimensional interval". Yeah it's a can of worms.

I trimmed the plot down some, but really the rest could be verified short of the game's ending with the player's guide and any finer details with the game itself. Is it really necessary to cite the hell out of the plot for GA though? I can't trim it down too much more without loss of content (it's down to three paragraphs).--Kung Fu Man (talk) 12:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Passed. The Story subsection is good enough. Good work, MuZemike 16:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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Using pictures from the fan translation?

It strikes me as odd that the article uses our translation for an article describing the original game. Shouldn't those screenshots show the Japanese version, since our version isn't official? Note that the one screenshot that has a caption mentioning that FF5 was one of the earliest fan translations is fine to leave as our version, since that's describing the fan translation. ("Our" because I was the reverse engineer on the RPGe team that did the FF5 fan translation.) -- Myria (talk) 05:01, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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Should this image be replaced?

I only ask this as the image is at a pretty low resolution compared to the other SNES Final Fantasy games images for their articles like Final Fantasy IV and VI. File:Final Fantasy V Active Time Battle screenshot.png AerospaceCoot35 (talk) 01:40, 22 August 2023 (UTC)